Is NA still the major region?

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Hecking_Love_Tenz

Latin America and SEA had better results than NA in Champs even though they had less teams sent

so do we still consider NA as the major region along with EMEA?

or EMEA is the sole major region and other regions are fighting for the 2nd best?

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For now yes
Can't say the same for the future though
Probably NA vlr will become just like league

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iMyw_

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you might be right since it kinda happended with cs

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Larry

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CS is a little different from League. NA CS got cucked pretty hard by covid. Making a bubble in EU and taking away all tournaments and events not just in NA but every region besides EU. Orgs left because only way for their players to make money is getting them to Europe. Why a lot of people switched to Valorant because that is where the money was but now the scene is oversaturated in NA Val. Don't know why NA League turned out to just being European/Asian imports but if you want to inform me I'm all ears.

I think another thing with NA Cs and just NA in general is the mindsets. Players tend to care more about their money, egos and reputations over winning. Saw this all the time with NA Cs and now you see in NA Val. Players seem to put more focus on streaming and what not over being pro seems like. Like in EU, the pros treat their job like a 9-5. Streaming here and there. NA Val some pros be streaming full time. You can't stream full time and also be a pro. Just will never find success or consistent success.

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Hecking_Love_Tenz

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True. NA is streamers' region
I'm pretty sure Asians will catch up and be above NA
or it's already quite even

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delusional_sentinels_fan1

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Couple rounds go different and this could be said about EMEA (and I'm not event talking about the EMEA vs NA matches). EMEA currently is pretty clearly ahead of everyone but not so far ahead of NA that they should be considered the sole major region.

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Blazieboy

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Agree with this take.

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Abdul

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not yet obviously but you saying a couple of rounds go different is hella COPIUM
valorant is decided on rounds what kind of argument is that

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delusional_sentinels_fan1

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nah like ace vs vk or gambit vs vikings for non NA vs EMEA games and SEN vs Liquid or C9 vs FNC. The only game I'm confident would have had the same result if they played again is NV vs ACE.

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Abdul

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if my grandmother had wheels she would've been a bike

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delusional_sentinels_fan1

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What I said is much more feasible than your grandma having wheels tbf

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Abdul

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-RfHC91Ewc

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delusional_sentinels_fan1

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Yes I know where it originated from mate, I'm not stupid.

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Abdul

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American flag says otherwise
but go on

#38

delusional_sentinels_fan1

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fair enough

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zNyatt

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your grandma didn't have wheels and she was still a bike. if you catch my drift ;)

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AwNawToTheNawNawNaw

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His grandmother is how I learned to ride a bike

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tRONGOD

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DAMNNN...

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common Abdul L

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he's off the goop

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even bigger Abdul L

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deadSQUAD

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of course. if you judge a region wether it's big or not, you are not only count them from their result on international matches but also the competitiveness on the region itself. NA is the most competitive region after EU.

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Hecking_Love_Tenz

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but how do you know NA is competitive when their teams shit on the biggest event?

If you only count the # of teams playing, APAC is a lot more huge

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deadSQUAD

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you know one region competitive if there are numbers of good players and teams who manage to beat each other. look at kr region, there are no competitiveness there bcs we all know drx will win it. same with latam like 90% kru will win it as well. but NA? EU? it's unpredictable.

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Hecking_Love_Tenz

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EMEA is by far the best and most competitive region no doubt.
I'm more talking about APAC and NA

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deadSQUAD

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i already explained about NA my hecking_love_tenz brother. read again.

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Hecking_Love_Tenz

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APAC is so competitive that only 2 spots for like 10 countries
NA isn't more competitive than APAC imo

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deadSQUAD

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pls explain why you saying NA isn't competitive?

#45

Hecking_Love_Tenz

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It is. just not more than APAC tho

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thatpower

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yes 1 tourney doesnt dictate everything but emea is still ahead

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Hecking_Love_Tenz

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It was not just random one tourney. It was the Champions bro. only thing that matters tbh

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Larry

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It's been since prior to Champions though. Yes NV made finals at Berlin but they got molly whopped in the finals.
It is hard to say who is the best rn because how often international teams play. EMEA is by far the best but hard to say who is behind them.

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number1_ScreaM_fan

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emea is 100% ahead of all competition. others are close

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Sprouts

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Yes dude, they are a major region. You pin the top 10-12 teams from NA vs LATAM/SEA and I’m 95% sure NA wins overall. Maybe their best team isn’t as good as say the best team from LATAM, but the region as a whole is much better.

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Hecking_Love_Tenz

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how can you be sure? we don't know until they actually face each other

I can say I'm 95% sure APAC is better than NA overall as well

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Sprouts

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To each their own ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Personally I don’t see a teams like BOOM and Mith beating TGrd or OpTic though, but I guess you can never know for sure until they actually meet.
I will say though that I believe opinions like yours are heavily recency biased

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SKara

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There is a regional playstyle thats why no one can be 100% sure

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Sprouts

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True, after some careful reconsideration, I can guarantee you that Bonkars would 26-0 NA's top five teams

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SKara

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It was not a joke you will see what i meant in apac challengers

#23

Hecking_Love_Tenz

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Might actually happen LUL
Don't underestimate Thai teams bro
x10 beat the hell outta Envy

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Sprouts

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Nah dude, I know how good Thai teams can be (could be the best country in Asia) but I think you’re overestimating the scene. Xerxia destroyed FS and 13-0’d Mith, the two other best teams in the region.
Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the NV vs X10 incredibly close? I wouldn’t consider that getting the hell beat out of them.

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Hecking_Love_Tenz

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There are 13-0 matches in NA too
NA matches are not always close and competitive dude lol
I'm pretty sure APAC is more competitive since there are like 10 countries fighting for 2 spots

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Blazieboy

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Just because there are 10 countries doesn't mean it has to be competitive always. We saw 13-0 matches in APAC too, with GE and NU being crushed. And speaking about competition, the better teams like PRX, XERXIA, FS and Bren/TS were consistently good last year. That's why they made it to LAN. Teams like Boom, BAAM, ONIC never got close when it mattered. It was always PRX, XERXIA(X10 C last year), TS and FS who were at the top and only they managed to qualify for the LANS.

Speaking about NA, the competition was always more diverse and close. We saw 5 different NA teams make it to LAN and none of the teams were good for the entirety of the year. SEN and V1 were good at Iceland, C9 made it to champs ahead of 100T who were favorites, Xset and Rise showed glimpses of hope towards stage 3 and LCQ and Optic were always there in the mix. In NA, I think it's unpredictable as to whose gonna make it to LAN. SEN on their day is unbeatable, C9 are no.1 in NA, TGRD are hot, V1 are looking crisp too and Optic are great as well.

Never put teams like LG,100T, XSET, NRG and Rise out of the mix too. They may not look hot at the moment but they may show their real game if they qualify for playoffs. No team in NA is out until it's actually over. This is the main reason you love NA valorant.

EMEA on the other hand is ahead of NA but not by a huge margin because the game keeps evolving. The team that adapts to the meta is no.1 in this game, and you have to play well on the matchday. With EMEA there is no excitement in the sense that 2 or 3 of the big 4 ( Gambit, Acend, Liquid and Fnatic) are going to make it to LAN anyways. Throw in FPX, G2 and Guild and no other team can beat these 7 in the entirety of EMEA unless there is a miracle.

That's why imports from other countries won't make a team into a champion team or something unless that player is a mechanical god. NA will always be 2nd best behind EMEA in a tourney but I can assure you that an NA team will always be in a final and that Champions is a one-off.

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In short, NA and APAC are not that different in term of their tier 1 teams
I would consider NA=SEA or maybe only thai teams = NA LMAO

APAC nowsday just like XIA,PRX,FS and one random team from ph going MASTER and Champion

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tRONGOD

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What are you ? An APAC Advocate ?

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v1 era

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I mean, NA is the only other region to make a final of an international tournament. Sentinels won Iceland and Envy made the Finals of Masters 3. The only reason this is even an argument is because NA underperformed expectations in 1 tournament where minor regions overperformed expectations, but they still didn't reach the levels that NA has previously.

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zNyatt

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Great analysis! I never looked at it that way. +1

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Larry

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I just think NA will always be holding themselves back until the mindsets change. That has always been the issues with NA prior to Valorant. I personally think EMEA is still far ahead. Hard to judge who is 2nd though. Since teams internationally hardly play it makes it difficult.

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Shinoka

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U have the point

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whyrussia

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But that one tournament was THE MAJOR the best of the best and 4 teams qualified for playoffs from emea while only 1 NA team made it out of groups.

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conman

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I think EMEA is better. I'm saying I still think NA is the only region capable of truly competing with them. LATAM is just a 1 team region with KRU anyways and the smaller Asian regions just haven't shown that they can compete with NA long-term yet imo.

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GENZAMAN1235

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I mean in money investing yes competition going bad

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Delusional_Mitch_Fan

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No the best region is Brazil cuz they have mwzera
(Trembolona can I have my kids back now 😔)

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KEKW

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i would say na is still "major" in the sense that it's the region with the most orgs competing for slots, and in general i think the average skill ratings of the upper na teams is better then most other regions, it's just most of the minor regions have a team or two that can go beyond internationally

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Mca

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They are still major, but i Can trully see other regions beating them as APAC, LATAM, BR and ETC.

I Can see a VK, NIP, Furia, KRU, Loud, Xerxia, DRX and etc beating down top 5 NA Teams. The only one that i don't see It in that way is Cloud9. They are different from other Teams.

If Sentinels faced Someone in the state that they are today i Can see they having the same fate as Envy.

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jimjam789

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probably not. if masters 3 --> champions has told u anything its that a single tournament isnt indicative a teams/regions ranking for the future

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idkbro

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ofc lol, NA is still the only region with quality of teams and players comparable to EMEA, if we compare purely regions and not teams, latam which had a team in semifinals and a couple rounds away from finals is easily the worst region atm, the only have 2 good teams
1- EMEA
(big gap, imo EMEA has a shit ton of insane teams and even t2-3 teams play proper valorant)
2- NA
(big gap but not as big as the one above)
3- Brazil
4- SEA
(GIGA GAP)
5- LATAM/KOREA
(GIGA GIGA GIGA GAP)
6- Anime

#54

Hecking_Love_Tenz

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Br0nzil even lost to Hentai
Both are on the same level

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Mca

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HL Lost to CR. HL isn't even top 5 in BR.

It's like saying NA is trash because 100T is bad.

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idkbro

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Honestly brazil was trash until champions, it looks like they are finally making good teams and playing the game properly

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Sprouts

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Idc about the rest of this list, but putting BR above SEA even though both SEA teams 2-0’d BR teams is just wrong. I think they could be the third best region in Reykjavik (LOUD and NiP look good), but until one of their teams makes it out of groups, people need to stop overrating the region

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idkbro

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You got a point, I guess SEA could be above BR but I believe brazil has the better players and the teams with most potential out of the 2 regions, I have high hopes for Brazil this year ngl

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carl123

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Bronzil above SEA ? KEKW
vk got stomped 0-2 with no close by X10
vks lost to TS 0-2

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Larry

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Hard to make judgements when teams don't consistently play each other internationally.
EMEA is the only one that is confirmed to be the best atm.

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yes

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queueK

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Still undoubtedly second through investment, player and fan base and previous achievements.

If under-performance continues, then NA's position may be in jeopardy