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Larry

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Sorry, I meant to reply yesterday but never got the notification lol.

I get randomness occurs in games with running or jumping shots. I just see it happen way more in Valorant than in CS whether it happens to me, my teammate, or YouTube/stream. It’s pretty much at a point where it’s not even random anymore and just considered a norm.

Regarding shroud, used to watch him a lot back in c9. Dude was racking up viewers back then and only blew up more. With that being said, I can’t stand the guy. Dude is just a brick wall who changes his opinion every two seconds. Dude has been shitting on cs ever since he retired. Calls it dead, then he said cs is harder, then he said cs is easier, like buddy make up your mind. Cant watch big streamers. Only person who I don’t understand who people watch more is pokimane.

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Raevus

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I've watched shroud on and off the past few years. Dude was boring as fuck before he came back to mixer. However from what I remember, his opinion on Cs was;

Harder to be good at, more punishable, etc.
Easy for the people who have 15k hours in the game, at a pub level. So outside of comp, you can clearly see the difference in 5k hours, compared to 15. Even the last time he went on CS, he was still stomping people. When old Cs players go back to mess around, they're still stomping people who actively play the game.

that's what my interpretation of his opinions were.

Other than that, I dont really watch him that much. dude has a personality of a plank. Always prefered Tarik over him in terms of gameplay and content. Same with s0m, although I only learned of s0m from Val, as I wasn't huge on NA CS, and only followed EU.

randomness, I feel is also highlighted by the boom in Valorant on streaming websites, on social media, and youtube. If CS had the amount of content that content creators are putting out, we'd see the same shit.

I have had more random shit happen in val, than Cs. I wont even deny that. However i've had more jumping awp deaths in Cs than on val. Just I've ran into so many running riflers in val that it gets tilting after awhile. There seems to be such a little punishment for running and gunning. The phantom, I can somewhat get. It has a similar running shooting inaccuracy that cs has with the m4.
I haven't tested the ak and vandal yet. Only did the m4, which was pretty similar.

I know Cs is less random than Val. more methodical than Val. The randomness I feel is just more accessible to see. I will agree that with Val, it is too normalised to run and gun with a vandal, or phantom. It will always be like that until proper punishments for running while shooting are in. It's also annoying that there's next to 0 counterstrafing required in Val. Just let go of your keys for 0.1s and you're sorted.

Just wish Val made counterstrafing and bhopping something, so people have some other mechanics that can futher increase the skill ceiling of the game.

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Larry

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Hello,
I just saw this and will reply to this in the morning (for me)
Have a good day.

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Larry

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Shroud has always been a brick wall but the average person on twitch thinks shroud is a god so they watch him follow him etc. Those of us who have been around for awhile know what shroud is really like. Haven’t watched him since at least 2018. Don’t get how people watch Pokimane as well. Simp nation. Regarding what you said, i haven’t really seen any players who were former CS pros who go back and play CS who destroy kids. I remember watching subroza and brax play CS with Stewie or Tarik awhile back and they struggled.

NA CS always produced the best content, shame you didn’t watch it when it was popping. People think na CS is dead now but it’s in a rebuilding phase. If you look at the majority of players from Val who left CS weren’t achieving or accomplishing anything in CS so if they left how does that make a scene dead? Idk just my opinion. If that was the case the scene was dead along before Valorant. I will say the same problems in na CS will and has already occurred in na Val.

Regarding your content comment. Valorant is the trend game to play right now, therefore a lot of content creators are playing it right now, not to mention the game attracts a lot of kid viewers. It reminds me a lot of when Fortnite was the trend game to play. With the NA region there is always one game that is trendy that everyone plays and then they game hop to the next game. No one ever stays with a game long term anymore.

With Tarik, been following Tarik since 2017. Watched him and his streams on and off forever however I hardly watch him anymore. I can’t stand his new viewers and viewer base. It’s good to see he’s doing well, always had a good personality but his viewer base is cringe now. I remember he got 50k during the major and that was nuts. I would like to see Tarik some day come back to CS and compete though. Feel like he still got more in the tank and I refuse to believe his last play was him whiffing on overpass on that flank.

I do agree it would be nice for Valorant to add a higher skill gap. Add some actual movement and gun skill instead of having it be so dumb downed. Make some great points about counter strafing. You can have terrible movement and still be considered a good player in Valorant which is dumb imo. Movement is one thing that separates good players from great players.

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Raevus

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Just gonna break it up into paragraphs for each paragraph to respond.

1) Shroud was a pub god. the guy in comp was average, but when he went into pub matches, he would make a highlight every match multiple times. However, what people forget. Most pros can do this, but they just wernt as marketed as shroud was back in the glory days of him being posted on the reddit page every day.

I think it was a few weeks ago. Saw a few val players just chilling and going back to cs for a bit, just chilling in fpl and faceit. Could still clearly see how good they were compared to the other people. Again, it's similar to shroud in pubs. They still have the experience of 5/10/15k hours in the game, and it does show.

2) The reason NA cs "died" after val came out, isn't that players swapped. It's that no large org was investing in the scene. People didn't leave the scene because they wernt signed to top tier orgs. They left because valve left them in shambled after covid hit. Orgs pulled out, events stopped, and no money was being pumped around. Then val came along and took what potential prospects the scene had. Which imo were players that cold compete at higher levels (Xeppa, Leaf, s0m, wardell, etc). They were all young enough and huge potential prospects from the scene.
I will agree that the scene isn't dead. It's rebuilding, much like you said. the scene will rebuild it self. It's just at the point if newer players will go to CS to try to make a future, or to valorant.

3) with val being a trend game. I see it started as a trend, but getting more cemented in what it is. Even fortnite right now gets good viewership. Not what it was, but far more stable than other games. Val I can see being on the same track. Getting a table viewership, much like how league does.
Cs is by far a titan in esports with viewership, but other than that. It was never a competing game on twitch for content creators. On youtube, it's a different story. CS is just a really odd game for things such as streaming, etc. This might be because I wasn't there in it's peak for content creation. Just the past couple years I've been watching cs streams. It's always low until a large streamer carries the catagory, be it gAuLeS, s1mple, etc.

4) Tarik, I watch him here and there just because I find him funny. I tend to watch streams with the chat sidebarred so I dont see the random shit. him on val, or on cs. I feel he can compete on either. Dude was nuts on CS (unfortunate last few months on EG), and is by far insane on val(in terms of ranked, so hard to gauge where he is at). I'm not sure if he'll go back to competing. if he does, idm which game. Just thought he was insane.

5) I wish they added more mechanics. sitting in my ranked lobbies, I see people who are imm2/3 with god awful movement, but decent aim.
Just wish bhopping was a thing and counter strafing. I'd love more mechanics that involve jumping. Still love playing Cs and just making my way through mirage on mid window to short in the span of a couple jumps. I've failed it thousands of times, and succeeded with it. nothing in val gets that, unless I sit there using raze satchels to get around the map. they're the most fun I've had with movement that i've ever had on val.

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Larry

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First off, I would like to say you are one of the few people on this site where you can have an actual conversation with.

Kind of done with the shroud topic so I won't say much about it but my opinion of him hasn't changed. I get everyone has the right to their own opinion but the fact he changes his every two weeks just loses validation imo.

Regarding NA CS, one thing a lot of people tend to never bring up or forget is how the problems in NA CS were occurring way before Valorant and way before covid. NA CS had a problem with the players in the scene with players caring more about egos and reputation rather than putting their full focus on winning. Regardless if there were orgs or not in the scene, i think the players would have left either way. Why would you be a t2-t3 na cs player when you could have the opportunity to be a t1 player in val where you will obviously be better than the majority. There will plenty of orgs invested in NA but time after time players failed to produce so orgs left. Can't really blame them. The players in the scene were responsible for the downfall but the rebuild is good. Covid definitely didn't help with orgs investing or coming back because everything being based in Europe but hopefully when lans and events come back especially in NA. Things will be better.

The reason why I said valorant is the trend game, it is more specifically trendy in just NA. You look at the majority of the content creators who play it, they are all NA and it has a good kid viewership so it's just easy views atm. I know fortnite still has good viewership but it doesn't have the hype it once had. I remember my grade 12 year in 2019 EVERYONE was playing fortnite. Giving I do live in NA and the majority were playing on consoles but still. Everyone played it. NA has always been a region where people play games on what is currently trendy. No one plays games in the long run anymore. CS just doesn't have the content creators that it used to have. One thing that CS could do to have better viewership besides just the official matches is having more pros stream but no pros stream or it is very rare. Mainly because a lot of the big content creators who did play it were all on the verge of being semi pro like Tim and summit. I remember when xQC and DrDisrespect played CS. Good content to laugh. CS has a lot of good content on youtube like you mentioned.

Tarik is insane, he still has a lot of potential. He did say if he were going to go pro again it would be in CS however. I know he had a rough last couple months in the pro scene but everyone on EG did. Not the biggest fan of what Ethan did to the team but he cucked them hard and tarik was the glue and hype man on the team. When he left they lost that. Everyone on EG needed a change. I think stan is a good igl but had fragging issues and needed to go awhile ago. It's like he didn't want to be there. I wish tarik would stream cs more but val is easy content for him right now especially with kid viewers. His new viewer base though is quite cringe like we both said.

I agree with everything you said on #5.

#129

Raevus

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Actually had fun having a discussion with you ngl

With shroud, ye fair enough. Not much else we can talk about regarding him tbh

With NA, there will always be people who swapped over who could have had a decent future on CS. A few players never hit their potential on the game (s0m, wardell, TenZ ironically, SicK). They're all young enough, or were young enough that we never saw their peak in CS. It's a shame we most likely never will.
Everything else you said I agree with.

With the "kid" viewership, it's the same CS had during 1.6, or even GO days. Majoirty of CS fans towards the end of 1.6, and start of GO. Were all my age. I'm currently 25, and was 16 when csgo first came out, and all the fans were either the old CSS, or 1.6 fans. The new wave of fans were my age. It's just how things go. New generations come join the viewership, and grow with the game. Nothing changed from the start of val, from the start of league, or csgo.
Only difference between CS and Val, is Val seems more approachable by actual kids, where as CS was always targeted at teens.
the reason I'm more hopeful with Val than Fortnite, or other trend games (amoungus, fallguys, etc). Is primarily because of the company behind it. Riot have kept league as a trending game for the greater part of a decade. I'd be surprised if they can't keep it up. Even with their two new games coming out (mmo, and fighting game).

EG did have a rough past year or so. Especially Cerq. From his original performance, to what we see now. Night and day.
with tariks viewership, it's the same cringe as most other viewers. Not as bad as say shahzams, or TenZ viewers, bnut that's from my experience in seeing them. However that's just how things happen. New environment, new audience, etc. I tend to ignore twitch chat 90% of the time, be it on official streams, or content creators. Rather watch the gameplay which is what I find entertaining.

#130

Larry

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I've had fun discussing with you as well.

There were definitely some players with potential that switched that had potential to have successful careers. I think some of them gave up too soon. It's a shame but what can you do. I think the majority of val pros would rather play CS if they got paid too. I think one day they will come back. Hopefully Xeppaa does.

Yeah I started playing CS back in late 2016 early 2017 on and off. Being from NA, the lifestyle is very different compared to Europe. I didn't own a computer till I was 14 and I'm 20 now. I always played console growing up as most people do in NA because that is how it is here. Things like internet cafes don't exist here. I played minecraft on PC and was the only game I played. I played it from when it first came out till 2016. I would have probably never knew about CS if it weren't from the people I met on Minecraft that I became friends with. They showed me the game and I have enjoyed it on and off since.

Ironically enough, the two times when NA CS were at it's greatest points. I didn't pay attention or use my computer at all. I didn't know about C9 major win and Intel Grand Slam Liquid till a year later lol. I come back and they are really hit or miss now. The rebuild is looking good however so let's hope it goes well. CS needs NA in the long run. NA still brings good viewers and most the money and sponsorships come from NA.

Yeah the new viewer base is a shame but it is expected. It just sucks how cringe things can get. Let's hope EG retains form though. Cerq used to be a beast and still is. I just think they needed a change with stan. Brehze still a monster as well and I've know him for years. I hope they do well. They still have tons of potential.