"VK should have KNOWN"

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Heavon

"BeCaUse GiaNts & X10 gOt PuNisHed For It:"

X10 Bug:

https://www.vlr.gg/29745/x10-esports-vs-galaxy-racer-champions-tour-sea-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-group-stage-group-c

Do you REALLY think a VK player must have watched this match hence why they "SHOULD HAVE KNOWN" the exploit?

Giants bug:

https://www.vlr.gg/23872/giants-gaming-vs-bref-champions-tour-europe-stage-3-challengers-1-ro3

Ah yes, VK players HAVE to have watched THIS match clearly, in Ro32 of an open qualifier... they surely must have known

https://www.vlr.gg/event/541/champions-tour-europe-stage-3-challengers-1/open-qualifier

...The bracket was only drawn from Ro16 and onwards in vlr for a reason (T1000 matches), AFTER they used the exploit to previous team.

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cryyBAE

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Isn't the same language, no one watch br games, why we need to watch these kind of shit?

FUCK RIOT

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Aladeenn

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dude, im from India and i;ve never seen a giants game but even i knew that giants got banned for it, it was basic news and being a pro team they should know this thing

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Not only that, it isnt even at the same position. Even if Jhow knew about it which he probably didnt, Giants were penalized mainly for the camera being unbreakable, having its permeable aspect almost ignored.

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junior

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"iT's ThEiR jOb"

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nobody has watched this match but the punishment was popular

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X10 did it after giants did. Why? Because they didn’t fucking know that’s why. Not because they were dirty cheaters hoping riot wouldn’t notice.

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ilikerubikscubes

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As much as I support VK right now, I'm on Riot's side on this matter.
The bug appeared twice, first one in a relatively small event, yes, and the other one in a major qualifier.
BUT, THE NEWS ABOUT IT WAS SPREAD LITERALLY EVERYWHERE. They don't need to stay up at 3am to watch SEA quals to know about the bug. Hell, Riot posted on Twitter about the ruling with Giants - Bref iirc.
Again, Riot handled it terribly, ruling was kinda shit, I don't think Jhow knew about it and if he did he wouldn't risk it, the bug should've been in the rulebook, etc.... But they should've known

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agreed. Brazilian fans shouldn't attack or flame riot or acend. The glitch cam was used and PUNISHED multiple times in the past. maybe Jhow didn't know about it, which is probable. Still, riot handled the situation like they should have, even though I believe there should have been a rematch not a loss punishment. It is immature to make up excuses and attack everyone for siding with anything but VK.

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ilikerubikscubes

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Gotta keep it fair and unbiased. Nutcases downvoting me for speaking what I think is right.
Again, the ruling and execution by Riot was shit. But, they should have known. Riot posted a ruling on their Twitter, which I highly doubt the Brazilian teams don't follow.

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The way they stated the punishment was so dumb, it opens margin to even more controversy in the future

"The camera was used on 6 rounds, so we will give 6 rounds to ACEND, + 1 for the economic deficit the exploit generated"

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ilikerubikscubes

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That I totally agree.
But it doesn't relate to the topic: that "VK should have known"

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werZy

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I was answering DevoidDecoy - "riot handled the situation like them should have", not the original topic.

I do agree VK shouldve know, but have no idea whytf it wasnt on bug list after TWO PUNISHMENTS.

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ilikerubikscubes

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Lol sorry my bad, thought it was mine

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werZy

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All fine

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DevoidDecoy

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yeah riot messed up on that. They should've removed the bug instead of spending time releasing green screen skins.

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DevoidDecoy

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yeah the punishment carried out was very questionable, but we really can't change riot's decision now.

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junior

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I mean... I really think it was riot's incompetence. But it was the best way to do this. If they gave 1 map loss in the next series woud be TRULY unfair to Acend

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Bo0mShell

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People are upset not about being punished but the punishment given.
Everyone agrees that it shouldn't have been used and Riot is right but just flipping the results other way for something jhow did he didn't probably know about while Riot totally missing it being showed on stream is what made people pissed.

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ilikerubikscubes

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True. But again, back to topic: imo Jhow should've known.

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Brensek

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True that VK shouldn't use the bug or any bug in Champions. But, the way riot handles it is just unreal.

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ilikerubikscubes

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that i absolutely agree. riot made a shitfest of this

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ireplytoidiots

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you don't need to watch the match to hear about the official riot ruling lmfao

i don't give a singular fuck about sea and i heard about it

now imagine being a fucking professional player or coach and not paying attention to the going ons of the global scene to not even notice this shit

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Heavon

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you don't need to watch the match to hear about the official riot ruling lmfao

It's not official rulings tho and as widespread as a random user on vlr says if it was, these exploits wouldn't be used in VCT matches in the first place.

i don't give a singular fuck about sea and i heard about it

"Registered: September 17, 2021"

Registered after these "punishments" took place in the first place? Yep, I totally believe you now!

I'm here since Aug 10 2020 and I never have heard about this and I'm pretty active in this forum.

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ireplytoidiots

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you do realize valorant news exists outside of vlr right? are you stupid in the head or do you seriously think everyone gets their info from this site LMAO

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Heavon

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Doesn't matter, why should I take your word for it just because? Most of the VAL stuff/news, you get here. Just like HLTV for CS. I atleast have proof that I've been here since 1 year ago and NEVER heard about this exploit, while you have not.

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ilikerubikscubes

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Then you need to read up man.
Both X10 and Giants using this cam was on an article here.

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Heavon

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Stop lying, only Giants news here:
https://www.vlr.gg/team/news/2304/giants-gaming/

None for X10:
https://www.vlr.gg/team/news/2112/x10-crit/

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ilikerubikscubes

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Read Group C

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Heavon

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What?

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ilikerubikscubes

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Sorry missed the link https://www.vlr.gg/33390/teams-finalized-for-next-stage-of-sea-challengers-playoffs

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Heavon

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Rofl, it wasn't even a big deal enough to make a headline, now you're telling me a BR pro (who needs a translator at the major) should be browsing this site regularly and would most likely have clicked that article and read the "Group C" part? As for me? I did not give a dang about SEA or any qualifiers except EMEA and even in EMEA the exploit got through me cuz w/e Giants used/ or decided to do 5+ months ago, did not matter to me. Plus, simply reading "exploit" in the title from a not so popular team is not gonna get me to click that article.

continue thread →

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ireplytoidiots

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I atleast have proof that I've been here since 1 year ago

YOU ARE FLEXING THIS HAHAHAHAHHAA

#38

Heavon

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I've been in HLTV for ages, those BS arguments from the likes of you does not work. Facts are facts.

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ireplytoidiots

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oh man it went over your head

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Heavon

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No it didn't, the "BS arguments" was referring to #24 you used. But now since you spoke so much BS and can't argue for, you're now shifting - to imply that; because I've been 1 year, it's rather "sad" and not a "flex". But I spoke fax and you BS, I have something to back my argument and you don't. Go away now

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ireplytoidiots

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it's times like this i cherish my username

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Mca

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HoW THe FuCk yOu dInDn't kNoW a ruLe tHaT waS aPplIeD iN tHe SoUtH EaSt AsIa 2017 iN a Specif MaTcH agAinSt obamacare vs tiktokgods? yOu BrS arE StoOOopeD

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ilikerubikscubes

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Calling X10 and NGX as obamacare and tiktokgods are kinda a low blow.

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Mca

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X10 i know but who is NGX? Actually what is the name of the brazilian team that was Champion of a big Cup right now this week? And the one that was Champion Last week? Do not research It.

How would you know it? That's the point, there's no reason to know It, and i was talking about Champions, not random matches in a random Championships. If you think is Low blow thats on you, what i'm saying is logic, it's Impossible to know this type of thing because It is way out of your own reality, you usually do not research this type of studf unless youre really into this type of things.

Do you know that in Brazil a team called Vorax ended because Covid bc riot didn't let them play? Well, the players of this team separeted themselves, and now V1xen is in this VK roster.

There is so much valorant around the World that IS IMPOSSIBLE to know everything, everywhere. It's Just logic.

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ilikerubikscubes

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Sorry force of habit, Galaxy Racer's new brand (Nigma Galaxy).
Again yes, I do not know, however these cases are spread widely and talked about a lot. It's very possible to know.
Those news might not be blown up, I do not know, but Giant's case was widely discussed, Riot posted a ruling, etc... X10's also had a lot of outcry.

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Mca

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I didn't even know about this cases until now that they magically appeared to us. Even the Team Giants actually was New to me. X10 everyone knew existed but never actually knew some camera problems in some tournaments of the region. That's the thing, everyone lives in their own valorante bubble. No one thought Furia would get a map from Sentinels, only the ones who watch BR scene.

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ilikerubikscubes

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Then I honestly don't know what to say. Again, yes everybody lives in their own Valorant bubble, but you would've thought an official ruling by Riot and the case being massively blown up and discussed literally every where would've reached Brazil's ears.

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bdzez

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who cares, Brazil is a shit region with shitty teams

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Mca

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I don't watch Philippines or Asia/SEA region, i respect them. This is not an offense against them of any type, is Just a way to exemplify what i'm saying. And actually the tiktokgods are a team from Brazil. The name is Tropinha do Tiktok, and they got 3° in a Championship in Brazil.

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ilikerubikscubes

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Brazil is not in SEA

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Mca

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True, but tiktok gods are a great team, did you knew them? No you didn't, so How would you expect Someone to know about other Teams from other regions.

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ilikerubikscubes

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In fact I did hear about them. Their matches showed up, I just didn't really invest my time into watching them.
I don't expect them to know, just that the bug/case itself was talked about a lot, and clearly Riot deems it illegal

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ve9om69

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Brazil 🤡

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DevoidDecoy

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Look at the situation from both sides and think before you rant random shit. yes the ruling was harsh in my opinion, but both sides did what they had to do in an awkward situation. Don't go around and start an argument about why you think you're so right and everyone else who isn't Brazilian is wrong. Sure, Jhow may have not known, but a punishment must occur nonetheless.

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Gomes255

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they dont mean watch the matches, but how havent they heard about riot's punishment and so on?...

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Heavon

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Are you also implying that Giants must have known this was an exploit to use it against a t1000 team in a ro32 match?

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ilikerubikscubes

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Riot's incompetence is insane, I agree
Reply to #14

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Zaynio

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While I do disagree with Riot's decision making here, the argument for VK not watching those games is irrelevant. Riot has to maintain their precedent of punishing teams for using that particular camera since....it's a precedent.

I disagree with how they handled it overall but that's how it is.

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Heavon

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But if the teams using the exploit haven't heard of it being against the rules before and if these specific exploits AREN'T in the rule-books, how the fck do you hand out punishments as harsh as this one in such an important tourney - HOURS after the match is done?

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I find it unlikely that if they have this cam in their strategies, not one person in the entire org didn't speak English or had heard about the cam, or that Jhow just happened to develop the same spot for the cam. Sure the games were small, but tons of people, myself included, still heard about it when they happened. Unlikely that an org that has been to two international events didn't know about it.

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ima be fr here, im pretty sure that bug is on the rulebook

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bdzez

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A professional Valorant team should have a staff that knows the rules.

Keep your T3 region copium. You'll always find an excuse.

NA>EU>all

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ilikerubikscubes

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If the excuses are valid, there's nothing wrong with having excuses. Not agreeing with the toxicity here buddy

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bdzez

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The excuse is "I dont know the rules" its not valid

Your JOB is to know the rules.

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ilikerubikscubes

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That is my bad yes. But you should cut down the toxicity

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bdzez

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People wont listen otherwise, but glad you get my point.

gl against SEN tomorrow

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My logic is that they most likely didn't find that cam themselves, but rather they saw someone else use it. Thus, must have been aware of the past penalties when finding it. Even if not, no one on the team had any idea? No one that they scrimmed (in Brazil and Berlin) commented on it? Setups like these are made weeks or, more likely, months in advance and it's hard to believe that people who put over 40 hours a week into this game were not aware of this.

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bdzez

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aka someone whos job it is to find strats either "randomly found an exploit and didnt look up why no one else was doing it" or "found and exploit and used it as a way to take an advantage over a better team"

wonder what is more likely

side note: anyone trying to find someone to help them get away with cheating for clout, hit me up

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Are y'all fucking dumb. No matter if someone got penalized or not you're literally using a bug to get an advantage and that doesn't sit right in any way.

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Trust me, they know. They just got caught.

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I really don't know what's stopping riot from fixing the bug after months. I mean isn't it only a matter of adding a texture to the map so the cam won't be able to see the A entrance?