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People still massively overrating G2

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#1
luminescience

Lets ignore the fact that they will play in a post-Tejo meta (no, Trent the fraudulent is not a top 3 Sova itw), that Sunset is back (one of G2’s worst maps), and that they almost lost to EG and 100T. And that they have never done well internationally. Literally the only team that, for whatever fucking reason, is still considered to be a better team than the opponents they LOSE to.

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Uncleben
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“They have never done well internationally”, as if they didn’t get a 3rd place and a 2nd place

They almost lost to EG and 100t but they also beat sentinels and mibr, Americas 2 and 3

#3
sexwithgiraffes
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in the minds of these people doing well = winning it all

#5
luminescience
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Is that literally not what it means? There are at least 5 teams going to Toronto that have done way better internationally than G2 yet they never get placed 1st as often as G2 does, how come?

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catNmouse
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prx (who came 2nd at champs) were the favs in shanghai, TH (who came 2nd at shanghai and champs) are one of the favs in toronto. it’s normal for runner up teams to be rated highly

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SENfns
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they permaban fracture so perma banning sunset instead isn't a hard choice
trent is a top 3 sova itw unfortunately
and they have done well internationally

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Dudhi
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i thought their sunset from 24 was great?

#8
SENfns
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i was only suggesting it cuz its -fracture +sunset currently
also in shanghai it WAS their permaban

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Dudhi
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ah ok, then prolly sunset and haven (sometimes) might end up being their bans

#9
Sky1k
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No he isn't top 3 sova itw

#11
SENfns
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ok who are 3 and if you name any sen player then the list is already incorrect

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ScoutViolet
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i'm with you, 1. Riens, and then I'm cooked (if riens is even there, which i think yes, but you could debate).
2 must be trent. No other good teams in emea have a good sova player (TL doesn't, FNC doesn't), no teams in pacific (MAYBE kushy, but that's really reaching, and also just Jemkin is the goat in pacific), china is a hot mess but still none (really rarga/whzy are carrying the region)

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catNmouse
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chronicle and crashies are very good sova players

#15
SENfns
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chronicle doesnt play sova anymore so hes null
crashies sure, not better than trent tho

#16
luminescience
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Crashies diffs and has diffed Trent numerous times on Sova fuck you talking about

#17
SENfns
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in 1645?

#18
luminescience
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2025 soon dw

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ScoutViolet
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agree with senfns (fns should join sen too lol) - trent is a top 3 sova itw. He was #1, statwise, on sova at kickoff, in americas, if not in the world (I think he was worldwide #1 sova too - you'd have to check, but he was definitely #1 statwise on sova at kickoff in americas).
Calling sunset a bad map for g2 is crazy considering it hasn't been in the pool for a LONG time. Agents have been balanced (there have been a LOT of changes to many agents), new ones released (ex. vyse), and the map itself has CHANGED, if you don't remember they changed b site a lot last october after vct champions 2024 and before kickoff 2025 (aka, not played on) - they added that hole that you can plant in, which wasn't htere before, and got rid of the box in b main. In other words, big changes!
Fracture was not a good map for them, but they don't really have a perma-ban, so fi they cook something up on the new sunset with new agents, then I wouldn't be surprised if they ban something else, like ascent, if they get counter-stratted, or maybe icebox/pearl (for the ptsd), etc.

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SENfns
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good stuff

#19
foythvlr
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And that they have never done well internationally

Statistically speaking, is more rare to see this roster NOT do well internationally then the opposite

reykjavik top 8 (0-2 record) https://www.vlr.gg/event/926/valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k/playoffs
shangai top 3 (4-2 record) https://www.vlr.gg/event/1999/champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai/playoffs
champions top 8 (2-2 record) https://www.vlr.gg/event/2097/valorant-champions-2024/playoffs
bangkok top 2 (4-2 record) https://www.vlr.gg/449011/g2-esports-vs-t1-champions-tour-2025-masters-bangkok-gf

Considering Reykjavik the only really bad result here (with the same three player core), they've been decent to great on 3 out of 4 tournaments they played

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SudokuDude
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G2 may have abused the Tejo meta, but they aren't frauds.

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