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do people actually think 100T > NV

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#1
SETSUZA

100t would not have beaten nv in a bo3. nv's map pool was their biggest weakness because of low prep time

the only reason 100t even got to ban bind and play split was because they played SEN later than NV did, other way around and nv just bans split

but yeah man you beat a team with 5 days of prep in a seeding match 100t are the definite top 2 in na for sure

just watch and see, with more practice this team will dominate 100t AND sentinels

Edit: funny how that works xD

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Fat_Lard
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Wait so when 100T loses to Sen we forget that they're seeding games but when 100T beats Envy we use the excuse of it just being a seeding game? Also if it was a BO3, 100T would ban Bind, Envy would ban Split and they would play the same first 3 maps(Which 100T won 2 of them). So even if it was a BO3 , 100T went up 2-1 after the first 3 maps anyways so that's also a shit argument

#3
Shadow_cold
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Don’t worry the guys just a hater

#6
Fat_Lard
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I mean sure but I've seen a lot of people saying the same things about how Envy would win a BO3 and about the whole seeding game shit

#8
SETSUZA
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yeah ur right man 100t actually is better than sentinels too, seeding matches man

#4
Neon74
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Cope harder
100T is the 2nd best team in NA rn

#5
midooor
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Mmm 🤔 well maybe

#7
wedqatwrtgehge
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right now 100T is better but I think NV have the higher skill ceiling when comparing the two rosters

#9
plebwong
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facts

#10
Insyte
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This was sorta the case with fnatic and liquid during stage 2. Liquid was better during their matches, but Fnatic had a higher ceiling and got way better by the time masters 2 began. I think NV will be better than 100t with more practice

#11
Dragas
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hiko retire pls

#12
clocksky888
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Technically, 100t are a better team in terms of money won, trophies won - First Strike... and up to date score between the two stands NV 2-4 100t with 100t winnig NV in the last two recent matches. If there's another way to look at it, please let me know.

#13
SETSUZA
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yeah looking at things beyond black and white generally helps, also a bit of critical thinking

#15
clocksky888
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I'm completely puzzled at this point.... Did you actually start this topic just to disagree with people? Or do you believe your view on things is so superior to others' that it allows you to flex your "critical thinking" and black/white thingy? Some of us(cough..cough) on here have sufficient academic experience to provide you with a complete semester on critical thinking and decision-making, let alone comparing two teams.

#16
SETSUZA
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your reply was smug and condescending so i just responded in part lmao

you doubled down tho i'm not the type for that

#18
clocksky888
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No, it was not a smug... it was just a simple observation of the past events. No matter what you claim, you just have to consider at least their recent games. 100t won the two recent games and that tells a lot on who is stronger, at least for the time being. We can speculate all day long but if there's no data to support our claims, we just can't consider it legitimate.
Give me a shout, if one day you'd need a lesson in critical thinking - it will cost you $$.

#20
SETSUZA
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see you did it again. all good tho man you do you

#26
clocksky888
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No worries and good luck in your Critical Thinking classes.

#27
SETSUZA
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smirks, pushes up glasses I’ll meet you there, heh.

#28
ShiningTyGuy
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your sensitive af if you think that reply was condescending and/or smug. Your soft af.

#32
hellaeleganceyeah
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nv has more circuit points im pretty sure

#34
clocksky888
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Yes, and it appears that this is the only category in which they are above 100t. The difference is merely 25 circuit points, which is a negligible difference.

https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/Circuit_Points/North_America

The OP claimed that Split was key in winning NV in the 100t equation. However, he/she forgot that NV also won 100t's second best map, Icebox, which, in theory, evens out the score between the two teams. NV should have won their Ascent pick in order to win the game, but they did not. It was their own choice that they failed to win. As some have stated, you can't blame the system that is strategically exploited to win series, hence his whole argument is void of reasoning. Furthermore, the OP is arrogant and delusional, refusing to accept the opinions of others. Like, how does he/she want to discuss thing through his pathetic thread? I just don't know....

#14
akami
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YESSS

#17
bloodysky
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So taking advantage of a team's weakness is not allowed now? They literally saw an opening to beat Envy and did it well. As for your argument that 100 thieves cannot beat Envy in a BO3, no one can really tell what's gonna happen (100T and Envy might ban different maps, pick different maps, use different comps, etc.) since it did not happen. I respect your opinion though and I hope that both teams will deliver in Berlin. Right now, 100T is the 2nd best team in NA and your assumptions and theories won't make them below that

#21
SETSUZA
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yeah it’s not allowed, the fbi are actually on their way right now. because that’s definitely my point

#19
redlotus
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The literal point of a best of 5 is to find the definitive best team what the fuck is this take lmao? Should Grand Finals be best of 3s because envy has a shit map pool?

#23
SETSUZA
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obviously the more maps you play the more reliable the result is that’s how sample size works. but if the teams are asymmetric in how much time to prep they had then it doesn’t have the same effect? bad faith argument

#24
redlotus
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Envy made the conscious decision to pick up a new player before the tournament, They made a conscious decision of having a worse map pool because of practice. Of course they can end up being top 2 but as of today they aren't until they practice more and thats the decision the team made

#25
SETSUZA
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that’s more reasonable of a take. my point is if your takeaway from beating down a team that didn’t even have the time to practice every map 3-2 is that you’re the “definite #2” you’re off ur rocker lol

#31
inarisushi
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what makes you say that its asymmetric in the amount of time they had to prep? they both got to playoffs through stage 3 challengers 1, so both teams had a full month to prep, right?

#22
anakra
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100t > nv right now but nv for sure has higher potential going into berlin

#29
swaglord69
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i think they are on the same level rn i dont think theres a HUGE difference between 100 thieves and envy. im pretty sure if the last map was bind and not split envy would of took it home. with more time to practice with yay i think envy can be better than the thieves

#30
williamm
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Bind: SEN 13 - 11 100T

Not sure

#33
LouBag
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Sen

Envy/100T

Rest

Nuff said

#35
Tox1c
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100t are better than nv rn but whats to say that envy cant come up with new stuff and win aganist them during berlin? This is a stupid thread 100t are better than envy right now because we arent looking at an envy that has played with each other for 6 months and know how to play really well, we are looking at the current envy and the current envy has not beat 100t. We haven't seen enough to come to a conclusion that envy is better so for now they are not, but at Berlin they certainly could do something and I wouldnt be suprised.

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