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VCT Champions Slots

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#1
Vazydan

VCT Champions Slots NEED to change. In what world does Korea get one slot for Circuit points but Brazil and SEA get two? Riot is actually fucking joking if they're dumb enough to think that BR and SEA deserve more slots than KR. KR deserves 2, or even 3, they're the 3rd best region in the world. (NA >> EU > KR ) And we all know how overhyped Brazil was during Masters 2 LMAO. SEA was also pretty bad. So yeah, slots need to change to fit the actual best region talents in the world, take away from BR and SEA and give to KR.

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kindereggmodel
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agreed.

#3
Mortadelo
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Man Riot is not gonna compare regions in the hole year, be prepared. Also how do can you do it?? So Sen > EU, but is Top10 Na > Top 10 EU?? It's impossible to say who deserves more spots right now so Riot distributed the slots using the player base. Plus think that the spots were set before Iceland

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Vazydan
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NA >> EU since Sen beat the best team out of EU. NA teams took maps off of sen while none of the teams at LAN took a map off of sen. also, no EMEA teams took maps off of fnatic during playoffs or even closed, except liquid, and that was a fluke. Its not impossible to say who deserves more spots at ALL. BR and SEA showed objectively worse results than KR at Masters, so naturally, KR should get more slots. The player base is not an accurate determination of skill. The spots should be changed, and can be changed.

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Mortadelo
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So you are saying C9B and 100T > Fnc because they took a map against Sentinels? Man that's definitely not how it works, you can't tell that yet. And even if you think you can, you have to understand that Riot cannot think like that and make that type of reasonings

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Vazydan
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not necessarily c9b and 100t > fnc, but they're at least equal to fnc, and better than all the other EU teams. DEFINITELY better than liquid, liquid is trash. Its definitely how it works. if you are a team that is advanced enough and skilled enough to take 13 rounds off the best team in the world, then you are also a very good team. I can tell that yet because its just basic logic. Riot can also think like that too. And this isnt even what we're talking about, talking about how KR is objectively better than BR and SEA. BR and SEA had objectively worse performances, so KR is just factually better. You're delusional or trolling at this point if you seriously think Riot cant realize the fact that KR is leagues better.

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Mortadelo
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"You're delusional or trolling at this point if you seriously think Riot cant realize the fact that KR is leagues better." Okay so then why the fuck do you think they gave them less slots??? Riot can never and will never do that, you'll see it with the time. Until next year there won't be regions loosing or winning a big amount of slots unless something very big happen

#10
Vazydan
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They gave them less slots because Riot is retarded when it comes to handling their international esports? There is no other reason, and no justification for their decision, lmao.

#58
Mdkns
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How can you say this when shaz and dapper repeatedly said europe was better on plat chat

#59
Vazydan
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thats because they're way too confident and believe that they're miles ahead of other NA teams when they're not. europe isnt better

#76
PNGomes
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Damn you must truly be a pro that played all teams to disagree with the champions, get a brain pls 🙏

#81
Vazydan
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ah yes, because they're pros, everything they say is instantly factual. this is obviously a wrong way to think about things, its just clear logic you brainless clown lmao. V1, with a stand-in, literally beat EMEA's 2ND BEST TEAM. if V1 with a stand-in could do that, then other NA teams DEFINITELY could beat all the other EMEA teams.

#73
pvlcn
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NA would do the same with 1 team or 5 teams because sentinels is just so superior. just try to bring more depth to the region before complaining

#82
Vazydan
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they're not THAT superior...

#84
pvlcn
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i mean i would love to see 100t or c9 winning vs sentinels at their peak level but i don't think we will

#89
Vazydan
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They will bro trust, they both already take maps off sentinels

#7
feaN
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People saying NA better than EU after one tournament. You can say Sentinels better than Fnatic but NA better than EU? No way. I wanna see cNed versus Sentinels and his team Acend, with the new man on the roster zeek. They look pretty sick now and I believe they can beat Sentinels. I said I believe cause I am not sure, Sentinels are a very strong team as of right now Number1 in the world but that thing can change, just like in football. Barcelona and Real Madrid were the strongest teams, but now we have Man. City and PSG who beat these teams, cause they have more money and Sentinels isnt a org with a bunch of money, so I can see in the future that organisations like Cloud9, Fnatic, Liquid, TSM,T1 and other bigger orgs will dominate this scene too. Money is everything so with money they can sign a lot of good players and they can give them everything they want. I think this is gonna happen just like in every other game where this organisations are the biggest ones, but maybe I will be wrong we never know

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Vazydan
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NA is better than EU 100%. Acend is trash, couldnt even make it to the playoffs. one player wont make a difference. also, sen scrimmed acend, and literally said they werent anything special. Barcelona and Real Madrid were always the strongest teams, for the longest time, because they simply had the best players. Im not gonna get into a conversation about soccer though, havent watched it in years. Money doesnt necessarily equal success for esports. Money is not everything lmao. signing good players /=/ achieving success. look at g2, tsm , etc.

#14
Mortadelo
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Have you ever heard of bad days? You're basing you're hole argument in the performance of a team one or two days. Also at the velocity the game is advancing you can't be sure of if a team is better than another that a team that was the best two weeks ago still the best until proving it. Liquid qualified to Iceland but how do you know they were the best to go to Iceland a month later?? This game advances soooooo fast

#15
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they were definitely the best to go to iceland at that time, obviously we dont know how EMEA will play out due to all the changing factors, but im not talking about the present, im talking about the most recent results in the past.

#17
Mortadelo
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They qualified almost a month ago beafore going? Do you know how much can change a team in that time?

#21
Vazydan
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what? no they didnt? they finished qualifying on like may 1st, then went to iceland around may 15th (when they arrived). a team doesnt change much within a couple weeks, and either way, what type of fucking argument are you making? how is anyone supposed to realize what EU teams have 'changed' and become better when the qualification process is already finished? they didnt prove their skill during that process, if they became better afterwards, cool, but it doesnt matter, because its too late at that point. arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall, idk if ur genuinely braindead or just baiting, but u use strawman fallacy way too much lmao.

#23
Mortadelo
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Man I'm just saying you can't say that a team is better than another because they won someone who had won them before. Just let the fucking 3D chess apart this is NOT how it works. But man you can not discuss with someone who is not disposed to change his mind, so I'm gonna let you think what ever you want

#24
Vazydan
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Yeah no, you're objectively delusional by definition if you're actually still trying to argue that BR and SEA are not worse than KR by miles.

#11
turkey
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idk abt the rest but korea definitely deserve 2 circuit point spots

#20
Zaynio
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True but I think the circuit point spots are based off of population for the first tournament. They won't base the regions off of skill just yet since nothing is truly definitive in the long run.

#22
Vazydan
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but they should, because right now, definitively, KR is miles ahead of BR and SEA. they can make changes accordingly in the future if BR gets better.

#86
PrTsty2
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its riot, they know what they are doing. they wanna push the SEA scene they did everything fine with lol, i expect them to do it even better in val

#12
muuuzera
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they do not care about how good a region is, they give the slots based on how many players there are in the region

#13
Vazydan
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which is incredibly stupid and illogical for a competitive game, where skill should be the deciding factor of regional slots.

#16
Mortadelo
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which is incredibly stupid and illogical for a competitive game which has more than a year with global competitions*

#18
Vazydan
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what? we've seen how trash BR and SEA are, KR should get their slots. BR wont just suddenly improve, the caliber of the region is stuck in low, but it can improve over time. either way, KR's feats deserve another slot for them

#74
kusoboshi
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riot probably planned the slots way back before even iceland according to playerbase, and they probably can't change it in time for berlin due to the infinite factors and obstacles of planning an international event, next year's events' slots are probably gonna depend on this year's results

#87
PrTsty2
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i dont think SEA has more players than KR tho but I think they wanna push the SEA scene wich is perfectly fine. but i think they gotta catch Korea. hope they do 24 slots next year

#88
hiyohello
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bruh? sea has like 655 million people compared to Korea's 70 million xD

#19
buzzertonight
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(づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ

#25
edelhose1337
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Alliance beat all teams in srims from valorant master 2 excepted Sentinels

#33
Daniveus
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same as Team Finest they lost only to sent 13-10

#26
EdmondN1
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Man, all this and that, which region is better... OMG, again, the same thing over and over again.

The reality is as it follows: SEN > EU > NA > Rest of the world. (even sgares shared his opinion about this, go and watch his streams)

Let's not forget that NA was literally saved by the lower bracket run to get to Iceland, while in EU people do not even know what's a lower bracket, because rarely is one.

In conclusion, you cannot write off a team like ACEND who lost 2 matches (BO3) against Vitality with scores like 14 - 12, and they were out because no LB... while in NA, Sentinels lost to Andbox, but hey, the LB came to their rescue in shining armour.

Vazydan is the typical american guy who just shows again how flawed is his way of thinking. And how he wants other regions to improve, by taking away their slots?

If it were up to me, I personally would ask people to complete some IQ tests, and if you cannot reach a certain score, you are not allowed to use the internet.

#27
Vazydan
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nope, SEN >> NA >> EU. NA was not 'saved' by the lower bracket at all, other NA teams could've beat Fnatic lmao. but either way, a lower bracket is definitely needed in a game like this, and even in EU, they should have lower bracket, and are getting a lower bracket for their new stage 3 format, check my latest thread. u can definitely write off acend, they're trash, losing to vitality which is another garbage ass team with no feats. acend had many chances to qual but they didnt. Tough for theem. and after sentinels went to LB, they didnt lose ever again. theres nothing flawed about my thinking, and realistically you're only demonstrating how ignorant and uneducated you are by labelling the 'typical american guy' as a person with flawed thinking, when america is the most dominant country in the world, with the most successful people, in almost every single field. your IQ is miles lower than mine lmao.

#28
Olofboost
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Just saying. If EMEA format was the same as in NA, there would be no Liquid on Iceland. They fluked their way on top and everybody knows it.

#29
Vazydan
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Honestly, thats a completely fair point, and I'd even agree with you lmao. if EMEA had same NA format, then we would probably see FPX/Acend instead of Liquid. but who knows?

#30
EdmondN1
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What are you saying is literally contradictory... OMG, man... Look in the mirror and hear yourself.

The way you see ACEND, the same could have been said about Sentinels, if there wasn't the LB.

https://www.vlr.gg/event/371/champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-2/main-event

#31
Vazydan
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what? its not contradictory at all, my point is that NA didnt need sentinels to win, other NA teams could've went to iceland and beat fnatic as well and won the whole thing lol.

#41
jamie2899
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lol

#32
Vazydan
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also acend qualified to both challengers and lost, but sentinels only made it to the 2nd one, if they made it to the 1st one, they probably would've won it as well.

#34
Daniveus
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NA >> EU? SEN only played one team in EU (fnatic) and every map was pretty close and could have gone either way, that doesn't prove anything.

#35
Vazydan
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NA 100% >> EU. Sen dominated EU on 5 maps. Thats EU's best team as well. and notice how every map 'could've gone either way' but didnt? Yeah, that shows NA's superiority in being able to close out maps with their skill. also, v1 with a stand in, beat one of EMEA's best teams, Liquid. that shows a lot about the strength of the region as well. Many other NA teams could take down team liquid and fnatic, because v1 with a stand in would not stand a chance in NA. NA as a region is just completely stronger. in NA, teams take maps off sentinels. in EMEA, no one took maps off fnatic in the challengers closed and the playoffs except liquid, which was a fluke.

#38
Daniveus
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it's hard to tell if fnatic are really the best in EU. They didn't dominate, winning overtime is not dominating lol. Liquid is not that good they just got lucky imo and jammyz did pretty good. That tourney only had 10 teams and a bunch of teams just qualified because they were on a streak. NA qualifiers have also a better format, if SEN lost against ABX in EU they would have been immediately out. Then fnatic would probably have taken it all and it would be you guys saying "If sent didn't choke...". If NA wins berlin I will agree with you but it's gonna be much tougher and I don't see sentinels winning again

#40
Vazydan
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Fnatic were definitely the best in EU going into Iceland. they didnt lose a single map except the fluke to liquid. even if sen wasnt at iceland, other NA teams could've beat liquid and fnc.

#42
Daniveus
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"best in EU going to iceland" yup, they were better than liquid but I personally think Gambit and FPX for example win against them 7/10 times. Neither Liquid nor fnatic were even making it through qualifiers a month before iceland. Honestly I am more scared of the CIS teams than EU teams (Gambit, OBG and GMT look super strong)

#45
Vazydan
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nah, gambit and fpx choked, and gambit did pretty poorly against FNC. the fact that they choked just shows that they're inconsistent, and probably would have choked at iceland too. fnatic is definitely a REALLY strong team, and will stay strong, but liquid, they're probably gonna fall off again.

#46
Daniveus
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at least we agree that liquid is gonna fall

#47
Vazydan
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yeah, they just dont seem as promising as fnatic, you know? fnatic just seems very solid in the EU region, and i think they will be dominant for a very long time.

#97
PrTsty
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tbf liquid was the best team in challenger finals. has a terrible map pool tho

#37
ShiningTyGuy
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I agree with alot of things you say but you can't deny that America is one of the most dominant countries in the world with the most successful people because alot of those successful people come from over-seas, especially in STEM fields.

#39
Vazydan
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bill gates didnt come from overseas, most NBA players dont come from over seas, either way, the educational institutions which create america's successful people are all american owned like harvard massachusetts etc. even if a lot of people come from overseas, they come to america to use their talent for a reason, because america is the most successful and advanced country where a lot of impactful modern technology is made and cultivated such as social media, smart phones, (apple), and not just that, america is the strongest in economy and military

#43
Daniveus
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it's not that deep bro, people get the opportunity they see money so they take it

#44
Vazydan
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that isnt the point though...? america is the country with the most opportunities because it is the most successful country in almost every aspect.

#48
Daniveus
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americans literally used to kidnap people from other countries so they could work for them, with such extreme measures no wonder the country would end up rich, but don't worry America is on a decline and I don't know how u can stop it. I don't like it but china will overtake the US in some years

#51
Vazydan
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lmao if you seriously think america's success is ONLY attributed to this 'kidnapping' that you havent even provided a source for then you're seriously ignorant on world politics. do you have any stats or proof to prove your claim? and can you be specific on what you mean by decline? where are your stats? and where is ur proof for china overtaking usa?

here are my stats disproving everything ur saying -
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/29/991341955/shopping-and-shots-power-an-economy-heading-to-its-fastest-growth-since-1984
its highly unlikely for china to overtake the usa anytime soon.
source - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/26/us-will-remain-richer-than-china-for-the-next-50-years-or-more-eiu.html

#54
Daniveus
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oh shit the economy grew significantly after the pandemic slowed down no one could have predicted that holy shit
idk if this is true or not havent checked but just like u I also know how to use links: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55454146

#56
Vazydan
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thats not even the main point but ok lmao.. either way you have your sources i have mine, we have conflicting sources, so yeah we dont know who is right

#36
bigpeensheen
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Number of slots is based on player base and the size of the region, Korea does like valorant, but its smaller than BR and SEA by a long shot., Besides, Riot doesn't care which region is better than which, they just want better representation of all the regions

#94
hellaeleganceyeah
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the level of competition is clearly lower in sea, giving them more slots than kr only makes the early vct games a borefest as emea, kr and na will roll those guys.

#61
Mdkns
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Anyway clear bait or OP is just retarded. Don’t fall for shit like this.

#63
Vazydan
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"iTs bAiT" no its not u retard, fuck you stupid ass autistic ape. you're the only retarded one here lmao u cant even formulate an argument u fuckin mouth breather

#69
EdmondN1
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That's not how you respond, even if you get angry/ triggered easily. And you were the one considering himself smart.

You cannot think of a proper and polite way, do you?

You cannot control yourself, nor your emotions. Go and see a psychologist.

#72
Vazydan
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clearly we have different standards of whats acceptable when someone gets angry then. you can be the smartest person in the world and still get explicit when you get angry, that doesnt decrease your intelligence, at all.

#77
leleuu
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Kinda does

#83
Vazydan
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no, it doesnt, at all. if you're einstein with an extremely high IQ and you start swearing when you get angry, that does not physically increase your IQ at all. what an ignorant take lmao

#64
Mdkns
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Sean gares said EU was better, Shaz said europe was better, tenz said europe was better, dapr said Europe was better. Stop coping American.

#65
Vazydan
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doesnt matter what they say, NA is stronger and the results prove it. cope harder with your losses in valorant and in the world too braindead European

#66
Mdkns
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Your reasoning for NA having more slots is SEN beating Fnatic? Even Sen said they thought Europe’s top 10 was much stronger than NAs

#67
Vazydan
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wait, since when ddid i say NA should have more slots? can you read? i said specifically KR lmfao.. either waay, NA top 10 >> europe top 10

#68
Mdkns
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Dude just wait until Berlin and you’ll stop being so delusional with these takes

#70
Vazydan
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if you think im delusional then you're seriously delusional lmao. my takes have been completely factual so far and backed by actual data..

#71
Mdkns
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Dude go back to Reddit please KEKK

#75
iNstiN
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imagine typing "KEK" wrong 2021

#78
LNG
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I think NA and EU deserve 4 each ,KR deserves 3 and BR deserves 2 (BR purely based of population). JP should be with LATAM and only have one slot. I think BR and SEA are fine choices to have two (Yet again based off population). And before anyone talks about how LATAM has a massive population, they have probably the least developed scene out there for Valorant. Now onto JP. I think their scene is fine but they were the first region knocked out I think it makes it more fair.

#79
LNG
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I also just realized that i only listed 15/16 slots, i would definetly give the 1 extra slot to JP over LATAM

#80
iNstiN
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1

#95
PrTsty
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riot will probably make it 24 slots for vct 2022

#85
Milpa4
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agreed

#91
PotatoCh1ps
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I kinda agree to this, not wanna get into conversation that which region is better but KR deserves atleast 2 slots, the only reason I can think of is Viewership and it happens every time in eSports and thats why it is sad to see this.

#92
Danzo
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Burger brain

#93
hellaeleganceyeah
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giving sea more slots than kr is a crime.

#96
PrTsty
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riot will probably make it 24 slots for vct 2022

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