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Gutssz

NAVI Shao
FNC Chronicle
LOUD aspas
FNC Derke
TL nAts
LOUD Less
FNC Alfajer
FNC Leo
TL Sayf
DRX MaKo
NAVI Suygetsu
NAVI Zyppan
TL Jamppi
PRX Something
NAVI cNed
NRG crashies
PRX Jinggg
DRX BuZz
LEV kiNgg
SEN zekken

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ratio!

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and there they (NA) are saying NA is the best region lol

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brobeans

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he purposely didn't put NA players bc flag check

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tell me NA player that can be on this list

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DIEM

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1. BabyJ

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Marved, fns, yay, demon1, maybe Ethan, victor, maybe s0m

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rygro

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Marved, Victor, Demon1, Leaf, S0m. Just admit you don't watch pro Val

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Marved top 30 for sure, he should win LCQ
Victor top 25 for sure
Demon1 - he won't play in Tokyo so he can't prove himself
leaf - insane player but i want to see him in Champions
s0m - just one tournament and that is Tokyo, he will prove himself i hope

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rygro

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What T1 tournament has Something participated in that hes proved himself to be a top 20 played but S0m and Demon1 haven't? Just admit your biased and only watch EMEA

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Final MVP and most rated player in Pacific

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rygro

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In a domestic tournament? Seems more likely that its because hes Russian

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Marved top 10
Victor top 10
Demon1 top 20 for bringing eg to lan
Leaf and s0m need to prove themselves on lan but play like top 20 rn

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JUST GO SLEEP DUDE

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bro marved was masters mvp, masters finalist, and a champs finalist.

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wym he got thrust into a team and is now igling by default. Better than kingg fs.

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1.01 R
190.6 ACS
0.98 K/D

yeah he is better xD

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oh hes doing bad when he joined a team with no system and was forced to igl, he is horrible. The only reason i didnt debate cned being on this list is bcuz he was good, but he has not been playing better than a t1 xeta, or demon1. But sure marved is bad because of his current stats.

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youre gonna say that abt marved but not cned???? def no bias here

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1.08 R
226.1 ACS
1.11 K/D

and he is fckn play Yoru and he will play in Tokyo and even maybe Champs

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S0m:
1.13 R
204.7 ACS
1.13 K/D

Has ONLY played controller. Why is it that EMEA constantly shows they have no idea what they're talking about?

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every pro would have good stats if they were being setup by there entire team lil bro.
Demon1 stats: 1.11 234.0 1.22
Demon1 is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than cned if we lookin at just 3 different stats

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You forgot crashies

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Gutssz

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cuz he is on the list dude wtf

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EnterKey

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Oh mb

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np 🥹

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miniature

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leaf should be #5 nats #6 on this specific list.

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how can navi have 4 out of 5 players in "S" and cant win EMEA?
fraud team and list

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Individually NAVI have the best players itw imo. Just obviously not working out rn

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for me the second, FNC better

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Maybe... I just think Shao, Zyppan and Suygetsu is a trio no other team has... They're all fucking insane mechanically with good gamesense. cNed has been good too but not as good as he can be. Ange1 been inting the whole season lol

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leo chronicle alfajer are way better as a trio than suygetsu shao zyppan. stop glazing navi so hard.

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Yessirskiiii

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Like i said maybe... It's close tho. You said way better and i should of stopped reading

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Gutssz

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as you can see in my list 4 FNC players are better than all other NAVI players except Shao

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Zorontom

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How about Something Forsaken and Jingg

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Gutssz

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NAVI trio >

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Less, Aspas and Cauanzin are a much better trio in every single in game situation a player can be in.

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if they had the best players they would win. please wake up

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yeah not working out maybe because they arent the best cuz to be the best you have to beat everyone?

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I think we should ask them
4/5 for NAVI fine for top 20 list

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best players ≠ best team

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navi have just been trolling every game this season with map vetos and comps. literally go look at the comps they r running and u would think they r crazier then prx

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You have a SEN flair, you should know very well how having top players in a league doesnt win you the league 😂😂

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best controller itw at 10th has to be some form of racism

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I guess you don't know about the players above?

i didn't care roles dude

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Mako is the best player in the Pacific region, also best controller. Should be like 5th

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No qw1? No demon1?

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-Cnoob +demon1

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🫡 yes sir

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Spicy_Parathakababa

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Monyet is potential S tier player

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most underrated player

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Chronicle and derke choked in the finals against TL

Shao didn't even get there

The right list should be started by TL, LOUD, and PRX players.

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switch from aspas to less 🤔

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Agreed

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Jawa

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imagine having 4 S-tier players and still getting 2-0'd by FUT and KOI luuul

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Its nice to see all the other regions finally excited, after seeing some of our teams lose in the league. Can't really beat them in international stage this year, so this should be all you guys get. Have fun!

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Jamppi overrated i’d put Zekken, kiNgg, Crashies, Jingg and so many more over him still a great player tho

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prensadode50

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the only team that won 3-0 in their finals only have 2 players in a top 20 list and navi who lost 2-0 to FUT have 4 xd

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Gutssz

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Anyone can say your team is the better team

Although NAVI's players are better

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cauanzin and saadhak not being in that list is just delusional

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not

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prensadode50

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just cope bro. lost to FUT 2-0

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There are no IGLs on the list otherwise Saadhak and FNS would of made it. I just think it's individually the top 20 best. In that case Saadhak and Cauanzin don't make it

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tell my why not cauanzin then please

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talented and definitely he has potential

he could be in the top 20 after Tokyo

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you can say that navi is the team with the best aim or something like that (i still would dissagree tbh, but would be a valid take)
but just aiming dont make you the best player

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so nAts 5th on my list

he is not a aim god but he is here

Zyppan is insane flex, Suygetsu is best aimer maybe and cNed? just he needs to play Jett

Shao is Shao the Goat

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nAts unironically is an aim god.

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i know but they will say that I am overrating him again

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mako not in top 5 is criminal

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Gutssz

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sorry but no matter which player swap places with in the top 10 it's okay

but it's definitely not "criminal"

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I really want to see him at the top 5 too, because he's just really solid as a player. But I won't lie he didn't perform as well as I had hoped against prx yesterday. If drx wants to win at tokyo he needs tk show up every game.

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Flag Checks Out

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aylez

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no victor again

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zekken is better imo

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https://www.vlr.gg/189058/cloud9-vs-nrg-esports-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-lr2
https://www.vlr.gg/189051/nrg-esports-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-ur1/?game=123163&tab=overview
Victor is good but not consistent, he's not even top 3 in his team.

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1189/champions-tour-2023-americas-league

victor can play every role in the game and is still high in statistics too lmfao. & s0m highest rated controller in americas (not counting less), yet neither are on the list.

this entire list is clearly just one sided towards a single region.

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11 EMEA
5 Americas - we have to wait for Tokyo for s0m
4 Pacific

as it's supposed to be

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s0m top controller in the entire league (1.13 R) but we have to wait for tokyo, sure bro sure!

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Gutssz

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yes, you are right dude <3 just wait like me

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we don’t have to wait for something at tokyo though, only s0m!

oh and cned’s rating is barely above 1.00, yet he is on this list!

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he is most rated Pacific player and Grand Final MVP

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Very accurate list, but remove the two NA players you included for someone else

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Cloud where?

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22-23-24 alırdım nukkye, trexx ve Cloud

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Honorable mentions shoud be:
PRX Davai
NRG Victor
EG Demon1
T1 Sayaplayer
FUT qw1
NRG s0m

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GIA Cloud
KOI Sheydos
GIA nukkye
FUT Atakaptan
PRX f0rsaken
KOI trexx

cau, tuyz, leaf and ardiis too

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Sheydos lolololol

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he owns ur team remember?

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7ssk7

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If I make F tier players list then I will include him, thanks <3

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that's a perfect place for Fit1nho to be in

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Sneaked in cned like we won't notice

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BOTSII
owns all

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Good but Cned doesn’t make it imo, he is hanging around the 21/22nd spot

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d4v41 consistently gets ignored in like... all of these discussions
#2 in pacific league + flexed init, senti, controller
dude is like the crashies of pacific except he flies under everyone's radar even more than crashies does because pacific is less relevant than americas

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just wait Tokyo
he can prove

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surely u put cryo after his last few games, hes feeling it bois

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top 30 for sure

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Infernando10

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🚔👮‍♀️🚓🚓🚨🚨BAIT POLICE🚔👮‍♀️ 🚓🚓🚨🚨

THIS POST HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN DETECTED AS BAIT, KINDLY REFRAIN FROM TAKING THIS POST SERIOUSLY

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thanks for your service.

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Fena değil güzel liste suygetsu biraz low bide ben leo yu 1 e shao yu 2 ye makoyu da 3 e koyardım

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Sova alim bait atim günde 40 saat shock dart çalışayım insanlar beni top 3 alsın 😀

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emirerays

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Bait mi ? Olm bana leo yu savundurtma amk
Adam lock in mvpsi deli gibi oynadı amk halada mükemmel oynuyor. Bir kere negatif gittiğini gormedim maçlarda

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saka yaptım sevıyom lavugu ama top 3 değil ya
en iyi 4. Fnatic oyuncusu bence

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demon1 literally fries cNed

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Huge Navi fan

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PatotheDuck

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no cryo?

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trustmebro

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-cNed +Demon1
-Jamppi +s0m

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nAts above Less wtf

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people started to overrating him again just because of fluke win against fnatic

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he's just underrated af

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ngl he is the best rat but i hate that play style. But it surely gives very good value to the team

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ngl he is the best rat but i hate that play style. But it surely gives very good value to the team

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trustmebro

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he is not even the best player in his team. there are more sentinel players better than nats

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there are more sentinel players better than nats

they are just aimer, nAts is the true goat Sentinel

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nAts clears everyone, proof: every sentinel player is a tier 3 sub to his streams judging by the setups everyone uses, all stolen from nAts

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Not NA fan but u should include NA players bruh

So many other players better than Zekken and u didnt include them

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LMAO, S TIER PLAYERS BUT NO CAUANZIN KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

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11 EMEA
5 Americas (2 BR, 2 NA, 1 LATAM)
4 Pacific
Navi player at #1

I wonder if this list is biased in any way...

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im not biased

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lmao

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nice bait post but the fact that you put mako at 10 is crazy

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Gutssz

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If this is a bait post, am I successful?

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good good 😏

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you forgot me FS Obelisk

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Itsover

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What is fs? But I believe u.

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Obelisk

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Frankfurt Silvers

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C9 leaf

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Kru

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Shao being #1 is crazy, and jamppi overatted af

-shao
-jamppi
-alfajer
-jinggg
-cned
-buzz
and this list might be good

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hmm i won't take this

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Not having alfajer even top 20 is crazy he is literally 1 of the 2 best sentinels in the world right now and despite the rest of his team having an off day he almost single handedly won them ten grand final making it close he practically was taking on team liquid himself at some points and 1 of the main reasons ascent was 14-12 and fracture was 13-11 2 close maps was because of alfajer mostly not to mention he almost single handedly won fnatic lotus the highest rated player in emea and the highest k/d in emea and 1 of the highest across all leagues if not the highest he is definitely not just top 20 but top 10 when his team was having an off day he stepped up and made the series very close almost single handedly he is on the same level as chronicle, derke and Leo the others are certainly debatable though

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Ain’t no way bro forgot about Chadhak, the only true Chamber player

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YannZyto

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Navi fan

#146

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who?

#148

Kru

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4 NAVI Players here but they just lost to a Chinese team KEK

#149

Gutssz

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hey this post wasn't supposed to reappear

#150

kqly_was_framed

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You got cooked gang you put crashies at 16

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I think he has a good ranking

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kaibe8

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crashies diffs any NAVI player

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right now? yes but except Shao

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kaibe8

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Ig shao on a good day can keep up but you can sense the delusional EMEA fan energy from your ranking

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can keep up

? 💀
you can say Crashies is better than Suy, Zyppan or cNed but Shao is above him

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In their current form I would rank them equally
On a good day shao is better on a bad day he is worse
Also depends on how the team are setting them up and NAVI's teamplay is breaking down rn

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Jeffo

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KK >>>>> any Chokevi player

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BrotherMan

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Kkkkkkkkkkkkkk nt

#154

Gutssz

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Shao is still best btw... MY GOAT

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Warlordwibz

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gonna update the list? seems outdated

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taxjett

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delete all NAVI player

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Itsover

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TL nAts
FNC Chronicle
KOI sheydos
TL Redgar
GK d3ffo

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Jady
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S tier players RANK

1. BabyJ

WAS