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Mwzera is the MVP in the world, and thats a fact

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#1
kbkdark

If you don't think so... go to stats, apply filter that in "Min. # Rounds" to "1000" and "timespan" select "all time", see that incredible numbers

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moet
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ok

#3
idontknow
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farming favela bots KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

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kbkdark
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against numbers, there's no arguments

HND

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number_1_bjor_fan
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his teammates set him up for kill

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Cheasle2
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"against numbers there are no arguments"

i could easily find some numbers that suggest MWzera isn't the best player and you would argue against them.

1head mate

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Swiftmal12
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Sacy is better imo, so is SicK

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Noyn
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Even Sacy himself says that MW is better than him, lmao

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beb0p
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maybe he’s just humble? lol

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Noyn
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Yes, but he understands that Mwzera is a few steps above all

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kbkdark
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Sacy is a little bit under mw, but i can understand your POV

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siriuziun
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Pretty sure that sacy is the best non duelist player in brazil, maybe in the world, but mwzera is far away as a duelist, however without him in iceland we can't see if he is the best, so probably will be tenz, or sick...

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Noyn
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Scream or Derke imo

#16
kbkdark
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yeah, that's true

hope that GL will make their way to Berlin to see this 3 Dueling, it will be beautiful!

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streamratings
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Mwzera is #1 in BR that's for sure, but we won't know world until he plays internationally

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kbkdark
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yeah, as a GL fan, i was so sad that he is out of Masters Iceland... but there's Masters Berlin, so GL has some time to adapt themselves to the future meta

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TinglyPiano
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so we are now pushing the narrative Mwzera is #1, so when BR lose in Iceland, they will have a good excuse because their #1 player is not playing.

This is so obvious, pls get more creative with your excuses

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kbkdark
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OMG man, what is your problem? against facts there's no arguments bro

any post about mw, you say the same: "if BR loss, that will be the excuse...". you're the chosen one that know everything about the future? i think so, because you say the same shit in all foruns about BR players, especially in mw's discussions.

so TinglyPiano, the chosen one, if you know everything, that includes the team the will win the Masters, so pls tell us whitch team is going to win the Masters Iceland: ...

if we lost, it will possible be because of a bad day of one important player (saadhak, Sacy in VKS or deNaro, Light in SHK), or some bad strategy choice... no one knows, there's so many things that can happen to BR lose Master Iceland, as the same, there's so many things that can happen to we won. Brazilians knows FOR SURE that mw can elevate the quality of any team he play in at least 60% even the NA and EU ones, and this not an excuse but a FACT. But unfortunately, he is not in Masters 2 to show you this, maybe in Berlin.

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"facts" MW has never played against any international team its just ignorant to say hes the best in the world despite never playing against anyone outside brazil its like saying that if i score 9 goals on average a game playing at my elementary school does that make me better than Ronaldo because I have better stats?

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bloodysky
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Bro, ive seen you rose from 0 stars to almost 5. Im proud

#35
FireII
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count

#50
Helix_Exton
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4 is almost 5 smh

#18
Iper
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Dude I love mw and GL but this discussion is pointless doesn't matter if he is the best in the world if he didn't qualify to Iceland to really prove himself.

#19
moet
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1

#22
Tira
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This +1

#44
kbkdark
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Yes, i know that... i just like to see the playground burning, you know? kkkkkk

#20
Aidan
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I’m just as big of a mw fan as the next guy but if your team can’t even make masters maybe he shouldn’t constantly be praised as much. P.s. I know he’s definitely not the problem with GL.

#21
ValdemieGC
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First win in your region.
Then prove you can make those numbers against teams in other regions and not just in your one.

Simple as that

#23
Willowblade
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+1 nice take bruh

#24
Tira
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By stat yes but people especially outside brazil will think otherwise it's because this discussion is pointless due to the fact that Mwzera isn't qualify to Masters 2

Same happens with old C9 roster with TenZ or old Liquid roster with ScreaM both of them arguably best in region and in even in the world by stat but their team is underperforming so yeah Mwzera needs to prove that he and his team be it in GL or others that they can be the best in region and then compete in the world

No hate to Mwzera, he's Brazil Prodigy but still either GL find new way like Liquid now or Mwzera find a better team like TenZ, until then we don't know for sure if he's the best since he doesn't compete in international tournament yet
Good Luck for him in Masters 3 so he can prove hinself

#25
thiagomds
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anyone surprised?

#27
Cheasle2
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Flag checks out.

#28
EdmondN1
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All of you here are kinda clueless about the real word or the eSports scene. You literally hurry to the stats and search someone name, and when the results shows: he's in the first place. You literally start to think wow, he is the best player in the whole world... But, again, you're nothing more but biased.

And when someone asks a question about who's better... the real question is: Where are you from? People are overlooking on many things.

As far as the best player, you cannot say that tenz; or ScreaM; or russ, or mwzera is the best player in the world when they literally haven't performed on the world stage.

The same comparison is viable when you go to drone (TSM) stream and you say wow, how good he is; yes, every professional player is a god in ranked games, but most of them are struggling in official matches.

The same is with the regions, they only played in their region against the same teams over and over again... So, of course, the teams who played more matches have more stats and so on...

Sometimes I even wonder... can anyone here come up with a decent topic or argument? Or all of you are clueless kids who have so much spare time on their hands?

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Cheasle2
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+1
you can't be the goat if you haven't even attended a major.

#32
beb0p
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this man has the biggest brain out of this whole thread

#47
bigpeensheen
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#EdmondN14stars

#31
GetsystheGr8
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Wardell?

#40
Snoww001
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Perhaps, he has to prove internationally like the others.

#51
Helix_Exton
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nah, he has to prove himself locally in this new meta since they can't even make the tourneys consistently.

#33
cryyBAE
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MW have the biggest ACS again around the world in this challengers finals. In the masters he have the biggest too. It's a real loss for Iceland don't have the showstopper ...

#41
Snoww001
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Really, that is a big loss, no one can deny

#36
Applz
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against brazil tho he hasnt played against NA nor EU and cant forgot Korea's talent

#42
Snoww001
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F Vision Strikers :(

#37
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8
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Only if BR>Other regions. Like if BR dominates Iceland, this argument could be made.

#43
Snoww001
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If some time BR wins the Masters, how can mwzera be considered top 1? since the other BR considers him top 1

#38
k1ng1namo
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lol

#39
kapteN
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That argument only works if BR has the best COMPETITION in the world.

An amazing player in a region of worse players will post up better stats than the best player in the world in the best region in the world.

Of course that cannot be proven yet given we can't tell for sure which region is the best in the world yet. But looking at numbers ignores too many other factors that influence those numbers.

#45
bigpeensheen
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there is a bias in this thread so large and fat, its almost impossible to put into words

#46
zerosh1ma
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coldzera > mwzera

#48
bigpeensheen
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#EdmondN14stars

#49
HLTV_Master_race
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Then why did he not make it to reykjavik
xoxoxo delusional Brazillian as usual

#52
Helix_Exton
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Cause an environment with two of the best duelists with a team that focuses on making those duelists better isn't a recipe for success.

#53
beb0p
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https://imgur.com/hX7Tc9U

#54
Helix_Exton
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I'm saying the same things? Both teams have excellent players but a problem with how they play that leads to them not having success? TSM have players that are very streaky and GL have players who play to set up two incredible duelists that become more consistent but then they rely on those players to win every round for them. Neither team can beat good teamwork with skill diff at the highest levels regionally and it shows in the lack of results. TSM is worse than GL though since GL always makes it to the top events while TSM struggles to make it in the qualifiers into those top events.

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kbkdark
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because their teammates are not Sacy, Saadhak, frz, fra, light or Khalil

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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