do we all agree now that franchising is good?

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i think so - insane matchups every game, rivalries continued, crazy runs from teams like Talon

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who said it was bad

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Mjtchell

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everyone before they announce a tier 2 scene, but I think everyone was fine once that was announced

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Its still bad the fact that the winner of ascension only stays in for two years is terrible. There should definitely be a demotion system for teams that play shit. Ascended team gets 1 year protection ofc.

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Um everyone when the franchised was announced

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some teams are good and competitve, some teams are very bad (RRQ, DFM, T1, Heretics)

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Too early to put RRQ and T1 in this list.

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T1 Carpe recently switch from OW2
RRQ only lmemore and friends

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adilKhan

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Brother, RRQ has tehbotol and flipzjder what are you on?

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Emulatorguy076

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whose biggest achievement is coming last in champions? They are still expected to be the bottom of the Asia League.

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Chirby

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The fact that they made it to champs means that they are good enough

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^(2)

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AzShun

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The fact that tehbotol has highest kills in 1 map in Champions history didnt make he's good enough?

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An_dH

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T1 VERY BAD??
Just because 1 third party tournament and u already said that huh?

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1mBor3d

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they said it about sen too just cause they say it doesn't mean its true

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Puzzy

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only agree with DFM, Heretics not bad at all, T1 & RRQ at least wait until they'll play

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I agree with u, but heretics played like shit, keloqz go kill xd( u know is the first match, but his scrims was good and then in stage the played bad ngl)

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t1 is not bad.

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soraol

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shitemea(Already home) and c9 < The Guard

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C9 was clearly trolling with their double sentinel comps (especially the one on haven) and they lost to the best team at the tourny C9 will be the best team in the Americas league and the only reason they were trolling with their comps was so they could go back to US and prac fuck this mickey mouse tourny 100t or LOUD will win for Americas dont worry

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?

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Psion

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no way u are saying this. c9 is not even top 3 in americas. NRG, Loud, 100t. NRG is optic core, Loud is Loud, and 100t 3-0d c9's fraud asses

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Stratie

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finally someone who is not biased when it comes to regions. This is how it should be smh.. like be honest.

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I would not underestimate leviatan. They might go crazy, definitely has the talent to do so

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Psion

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they are my #4 but top 3s are better than top 4s and i can't explain lev > c9 like I can the other 3

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optic ran double sentinel on haven at champions and got 2nd place with it bro i don't think it's a troll pick

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I love how c9 fans say that drx is the best in the tourney just because c9 lost to them...also there are more stacked teams in the Americas league than c9, who have an actual winning mentality instead of a "happy to be here" mindset. And why wouldn't you try to win lock in? You are so high on copium it's crazy.

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But drx is if not the best then top 3 teams in tourney for sure because , they are consistent , they sticked to same roster and those guys donot lose their cool

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im saying this as a drx fan, we can't decide that they are best itw because the omega bracket is way more stacked than the alpha bracket. the top 3 EMEA teams, 2 out of 5 top americas teams are in the omega bracket, as well as many dark horses. saying that drx is the best in the world would be ignorant, especially because even LOUD could be better than them.

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Def a W but some of the teams they chose to include are Ls
Send guard to EMEA over fut or smth and they’d shred everyone but Navi/fnc/liquid to absolute pieces (or pacific and I think the only teams that could beat them are zeta talon drx and maybe geng)

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the gap between the best team and the worst team in franchising is like the sun and neptune, and this kinda make it bad.

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DbBested

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bro said the sun and neptune

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yungbasel

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pretty big distance between em, try walking it.

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insane matchups every game <- cap

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I feels like they should take performance into consideration for franchsing. It's a shame that good teams like the Guard, Xset, Faze don't get the spot while tier 2 teams get it only to get 0-2'd then exited the event immediately

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If riot is investing this much amount on orgs directly they will obviously consider more than performance factor... They will invest in orgs who can add more values every season.

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hanafuji

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bro the franchising league hasn't started yet, you can judge it once you watch MIBR vs EG for the 15th time in a few months from now lmao

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Banger match

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gamr

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No I don’t agree. How can I agree when The Guard isn’t franchised despite being better than at least 70% of franchised teams (if not more)? The Guard is not only a better team, they are also a better org (great graphics/social media team, good YouTube content, a lot of access to resources such as SoFi Stadium, they’re rich, etc.).

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trent one of the best initiators in the world and is stuck in ascension until he wins it at the end of the year man truly unfortunate

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gamr

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He chose that for himself, and honestly, I stand with him for that decision. The Guard gave him the opportunity of a lifetime that no other org would, and he took that opportunity to become one of the best. It's really not that surprising at all that he would want to pay back the favor to them. Regardless, he's guaranteed to get into franchising, whether that be The Guard winning Ascension (extremely likely), or him leaving The Guard to join a franchised team next year.

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even if the guard somehow not winning ascension, they still have a high chance getting franchised as riot wanted to add more teams to franchising each year

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If he was one of the best initiators in the world he would just win ascension...

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If they will franchise only one region... Scope for growth of their league will be reduced... And if they are better org in region they should have performed better during interviews and all.

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gamr

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And if they are better org in region they should have performed better during interviews and all.

what does this even mean

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SkNirav

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To grow viewership and all... they have to invest in small regions not only in NA/EMEA. It results in less slots for bigger region.... And second point is clear that if GUARD is better org than other NA orgs than they should have won one slot from NA region.

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gamr

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honestly if you can come up with one good reason why EG is better than The Guard then ill concede my argument

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SkNirav

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It's on RIOT. We don't have any clue about what were the criteria set by riot to give franchise to xyz org.

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tell guard to fix their financial then

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gamr

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what financial problems do they have bro? they're owned by a multi-billionaire and they're in two other franchised esports leagues. they had all the resources they needed to build a strong esports organization. they have rights to two arenas both of which are far bigger than the Riot Games Arena

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Kk0bra1101

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Let's just say stah kronke has a history of ruining good teams (cough cough.... Arsenal)

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gamr

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im not too well-versed with Arsenal or football teams in general, but Stan Kroenke probably doesn't even realize he owns Arsenal 💀💀💀

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He's in the owner's lodge on Emirates Stadium (at Arsenal home matches) quite a lot. Pretty weird that he doesn't know he owns the team that he spent billions of dollars to purchase, and which matches he attends, don't you think?

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SkNirav

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And trust me guard will qualify for masters events in future for sure.

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SigmaMale

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no, it allowed so many frauds to get a free pass to play in the international stage

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Americas will guarantee NRG vs LOUD rematch, so I'm all for it

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https://www.vlr.gg/105779/franchising-is-a-good-thing-supernova

8 months ago

A true King knows what is good for his Kingdom!

-Supernova The King of Valorant

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Puzzy

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wait until next transfer window open again, if bad teams like DFM not make any change it's mean not good at all

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The problems people have with franchising have nothing to do with the level of tier 1 competition. Franchising brings stability which is great for orgs/players and particularly investors who are involved. The problems tend to arise with the tier two+ scenes. Stability is inherently resistant to change, even good change, so it can stifle prospective pro playerbase growth and talent development if not implemented properly (ahem overwatch). If teams/orgs/players don't see a viable path towards either inclusion in the league or inclusion in the big tournaments, it can kill the scene.

I think the Valorant franchising is promising since Riot have a relatively good track record with LOL. The promise of a continuously expanding league system each year is a great development. The challengers leagues (VCLs) I'm a big more skeptical on. Opportunities to get into the VCLs are so limited (once per year in some cases) that a big portion of the amateur scene could be dissuaded from participating if they see nothing to play for over many months. It remains to be seen whether Valorant stagnates a bit here (it is big enough to persist for a while anyways, and hopefully league play keeps it popular enough to prevent the stagnation).

Thank you for listening to my ted talk :'D. I didn't mean to write so much.

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gamr

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well said

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Mocratow

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Bro really wrote a whole essay to jerk Rito off

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Analphabet.

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kbkdark

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Also... we'll have that in-game system to "become a pro" (I think that 'Alpha Premier' that was tested once in BR server will be the way)
So, even tho some teams/players kill the t2+ scenes, there will always have some new players that never recieved a chance of becoming a pro, to prove themselves and will do it with passion and hungry to win

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Mocratow

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Yeah dick ride Rito harder.
The truth is franchising makes the scene less competitive.

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Its not bad but the Open circuit is still better.

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reycac

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it is bad,we had these matchups before franchising except they are worse now

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Mortadelo

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No we didn’t and no they’re not

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reycac

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you started watching valorant this year then

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Mortadelo

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I started watching Valorant the very first day the beta was released.

My friend there were not 30 teams this good last year I can guarantee you that. And wtf is “they got worse” supposed to even mean? Dude with Franchising teams have been able to handpick exactly what players they wanted instead of having good players spread out on broken rosters that had been stuck on the same level for a year.

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reycac

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"handpick players",if teams could just hand pick players then trent would be on a roster

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Mortadelo

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Who’s he better then? Sacy? Xeppa? Crashies? Derrek? Maybe Ethan but being realistic that’s about it my friend

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reycac

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hes legit better than all those players except sacy and maybe crashes

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You have to be riot employees

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Its good but if you're EU and your team is losing its bad.

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There's at least 10 teams I'd replace. Some of the match ups are straight up dogshit but that is because lock//in random seeding.

Moreover, the tier2 scene in EMEA is superdead. Only 2-3 teams worth looking at. I think franchising just deters Europeans from playing these games.

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Open circuit better than this shitshow we have for tier 2 right now

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Franchise is good frauds player is bad

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Only bad team now is detonation fuckme
Carpe recently switched
Heretics has 1 star player and did decent against eg
RRQ we'll see

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oh my god but the TIER 3 SCENE OHNO OHNO!!

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Way too early to say.

Also the main negatives from franchising is the grassroots.

Look at T2 na LOL (league of legends). It doesn't exist.

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NA has the most stacked T2 scene out of all regions, what are you on?

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in league of legends?
what are you smoking.
like t2 LOL (league of legends) is just academy teams. except in eu where theres actual other orgs involved in regional leagues

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Haha, LoL is usually how most people acronym league of legends. I thought you laughing out loud sarcastically. I don't know or care about league, thought you were on about Valorant.

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yeah looking back on it i shouldve clarified better. does kinda look like i was being an idiot haha
thought it was relevant to mention league of legends due to it also being franchised

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Glad we cleared that up my friend! :D

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it is shit

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when the shit teams work themselves out it'll be a lot better. the skill disparity is crazy, but when it's all more even and matchups are harder to guess it'll be a lot better.

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It will be wayyy better than lock in, people are jugding new teams in a new meta in a single elimination tournament what a dumb thing, franchises will be stacked

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No it blows

Don’t speak for me