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#1
Cylo

Who wins it

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me

#3
Warlordwibz
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congrats

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capital_d_colon
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thanks man. me and my team worked really hard on this

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GreyDaze
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TL

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Cylo
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agreed

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DanielEVLR
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ur smiling rn cuz of the news for sure

#36
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oh yeah

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Gutssz
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ofc super Jamppi and TL

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Vitality

my take on teams:
C9 - good on paper, but I would imagine them trying bunch of stuff because you don't make this type of roster just to win random 3rd party tournaments. They want to focus on Sao Paulo and will test stuff. Individuals might carry but hard to say and if they test stuff and aren't super comfortable they might get beaten.

FOK - won't have purp0 who is arguably their best player (or 2nd) so its more just for the individuals to show what they got

VIT - underrated af. Had close game vs NaVi while losing bunch of rounds vs hero plays from NaVi. Ofc NaVi was the better team overall and looked bit shaky but I also think Twisten was having quiet game and Destrian had terrible individual game. I think they will look better and better as time goes by and as they build up structure.

KRU - hard to say but I don't expect much even though they have some good individuals

TL - likely going to struggle bit because 2 guys coming from Russian speaking team and one of those being the IGL so there's likely going to be bit confusion here and there. Also roles may be bit uncomfortable at start. Still has bunch of power and I also think some people are sleeping on the players. Even guy like nAts gets somewhat underrated by some nowadays.

100T - IMO slightly overrated. People praise them like they were amazing in Champions while they got grouped. Ofc it was vs DRX and Fnatic, but I truly believe if it wasn't for Pearl that used to be unknown territory heading into Champions and Will having his life game they wouldn't have had as "great" of a performance. I think they still have to prove themselves and I think people are overrating them right now. Good roster tho with existing synergy.

TH - Likely decently competitive, but like I've said before this roster is super inconsistent on paper. If the players turn up they can be competitive vs anyone but does that happen is the question. They have experience and looked decent in India.

FUT - hard and scared to see

my takes bit biased towards EMEA ngl but I think NA is bit overrated as a whole

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I see the bias

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patuj
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bit yes but I truly think team like 100T is overrated. They won 2 maps in Champions and even those were 1. Pearl aka the new map where no one knew what to do and how others are going to play vs Fnatic who were so one dimensional. 2. Haven vs Fnatic that has historically been shaky map for Fnatic. Outside of that they got kind of outclassed on all other maps even though they had close Breeze vs DRX but again that map is such coin flip at times. Cryo will def make them better more consistently but I'm not sold on them yet.

I think that is the part you meant with bias in your comment. And I just believe in Vitality project and believe that they are underrated by many due to low clout.

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Fnatic chose Pearl cuz 100T had no time to scrim cuz of Covid and LCQ. Its not fair that you hold that against the team cuz Fnatic was trying to be big brain and it failed cuz 100T is a lot more technical and disciplined than the other NA teams.

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Moiraine
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No they failed because fnatic take 6 months to get good at a map. Mini and boaster are waaay too slow and the help they picked up for champs clearly was not good enough. So 100t just ran them over on the new map since they have real staff that can learn a map quickly.

And it is not fair to hold it against 100t that they got better staff, so idk what that user is tryina say

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I agree with all of ur takes except 100T. They beat Fnatic , who picked Pearl because 100T couldn't practice any of it cuz lack of time between LCQ and champs, and clearly outplayed them on Haven. Their loss to DRX was 18-16 Breeze and 13-9 Fracture. Its not luck that they played well those 2 games.

I get ur a Vitality fan, hence the bias, but a team that qualified and did fairly well in champs and retaining the same core roster should be favored over a new Vitality team where none of the members have had the success that the 100T players had. I agree that Vitality is underrated but saying 100T has to prove themselves and are overrated when Vitality (and all the other teams) haven't done much either isn't a good take

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I think people are looking too much into 100T victory over Fnatic or them being the team "with lack of time". Its true that 100T had less time preparing on Pearl, but I also truly believe it didn't matter much. Both come from different regions that might have affected the preparation and practice like we saw with EMEA's terrible Pearls. Its completely unknown territory when none of the teams have history playing officials on this map and have no idea how other regions and teams are playing it. Happens always with new maps. No matter the prep time. Also on top of that Fnatic themselves also looked pretty clueless on Pearl.

And Fnatic's Haven has always been one of their weaknesses so 100T taking it wasn't that surprising. Also I don't rate Breeze victories super hihgly because that is usually the upset map. Like how many times we've seen some random tier 2 team beating tier 1 on that map? Happens all the time feels like. I think 100T got pretty outclassed by Fnatic and DRX when it comes to other maps and didn't look that good. Even Fracture vs DRX was 9-3 for DRX at start.

My Vitality prediction wasn't based on facts just my wild prediction. And I'm only saying that 100T is overrated because I've seen people saying how they easily got this because they are the same "great" team from Champions. And I don't think they were as great as some people make it seem. And for me they still have to prove themselves just like all the other teams this tournament. And then on other side many are calling Vitality weak and underrating them, but I'm not comparing these 2 teams just individual teams vs expectations.

but this is discussion and arguments are just for fun so no hate intended nor am I claiming these as facts.*

#18
seankuku
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we also have to realize that fnatic love to perform their best against emea teams and shit against other regions bcuz it's in their blood or somet

#21
Moiraine
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Fnatic only scrim emea teams 99% of the time.
They refuse to scrim the teams that play in the international tournaments they play in (and all have been in eu + turkey so far, so there was no problem sticking to emea tier 2). Their coach said it somewhere, it might have been in sliggy’s chat i’m not sure anymore.
They think theyre big brain hiding strats from other region teams but in the end, theyre the ones who get fucked (also fpx beat them when it mattered most, to add insult to injury).

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Holy bias lol

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100T

#11
aylez
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G2 ShahZam

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Luck_
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Liquid don’t drop a map superjamppi on top

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C9

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Pengu12
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C9 clears?

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Moiraine
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I think c9. Yay is gonna carry those 4 bots.
Navi are prolly still trying stuff out and you know angel, if tournament aint serious he’s gonna be trying weird shit.
Tl well redgar is probably still learning how to igl as fast and as effectively in english as he used to in russian. Its a big step so i dont expect them to win.
Vit looked really meh at the gloot thing. And i find 100t meh. However they been together longer than most of the other teams, having only changed 1 single player. So i still expect them to do better than emea (remember that angel is gonna be trolling)

That’s what happens in imaginary world. Chances of all this happening is less than 10%.

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yaiima0
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Bro called the people on c9 bots 💀

#23
LocoMonteiro
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dont know....what i do know, is that this c9 team is already the most overrated team in the history of valorant and they havent even played..... yall gotta chill

#24
jish
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Anyone know what patch they're playing on? Hopefully 5.12

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Zaba
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100 thieves. Their core is better than the cloud 9 core, yay can´t carry they yet. Heretics, Liquid, Vitality and Kru are all new teams. Fokus and Futbolist doesn´t have the level of the other teams

#28
LouBag
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This is the start of Cryo becoming the best player in NA

#31
ezypoe
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actually no this is where Cringeyo and yaybot gonna get exposed after the chamber nerf

#32
brahianv
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how they are getting exposed with chamber when this tournament is played on the old patch are you dumb ??

#33
ezypoe
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oops seems like I am the one whom getting exposed

my apology for not knowing that much of a detail

#29
brahianv
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Kru is playing with a sub so i dont expect much from them. with melser not playing.

#35
ufc
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who is the sub? axeddy?

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TL playing with subs i think 100t wins this. nats just confirmed on stream he will watch his team play.

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