Hot take on yay

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I think hell be significantly worse on C9. FNS was like 99% Of the Reason why he was a demon. Dont get me wrong im not discrediting yay in any way. He would shit on me 100 out of 100 times, but yay without FNS is like a Car without a Driver.
Goofy comparison but i dont care.

Your opinion?

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based

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Ok, so tell me how 99% of yay success is because of FNS.

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I wouldn’t say 99% but he takes advantageous gun fights a lot due to good setups

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and clearly, once he joins c9, he will no longer have any setups at all. he will only play solo right? actual moron

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i don't think it's that he'll play solo. it's that vanity isn't as good as fns

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he takes advantageous gun fights.

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Obviously 99% was a exaggarational rhetoric use of language but FNS build Optic solely around yay. For example watch Optic vs Team Liquid this Champs on map Ascent. Every round was planned for yay.

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not yay, they played around chamber just because of how broken that agent is you can say the same for xset, liquid, fnatic, old nrg, wardell on tsm

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oml, stfu. this guy welikefortniteandvalorant is right. stop digging yourself a deeper hole.

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and you think any dumbass wouldnt do the same thing in c9?

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Ofcourse they will but it wouldnt be as good as Optic yay. What is up to vlr calling me names for just pointing out an opinion

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wellinever

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Like saying Ronaldo wouldnt be as good when he left Sir Alex for Madrid.

Quite literally the dumbest arguement ever.

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he's yay. he will shit on the whole americas league like theyre bronze and fucking destroy fnatic on LAN

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M0K1

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he was called el diablo on Andbox too they never made lan A good igl and coach can shape up a talent

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he was called el diablo on optic too and he full carried his team to top 3 at all 3 lan events of the vct soooooo

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I think you misunderstood. what I am saying is he was always a demon but his team wasn't winning without proper support

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chet said their lot of plan was around yay
its was like 50-50 yay relies on fns and chet for setups team relies on yay to frag

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Yeah i dont think vanity and Mce will be as good as the gigamastermind duo of FNS and Chet

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Oh here comes our esports analyst who is giving his opinion based on some tourney I forgot name of

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Literally 0 correlation to that Faze whatever tourney.

C9 yay < OpTic yay
Vanity < FNS

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the biggest cap i've witnessed

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The first statement can't be concluded as no one knows how well C9 yay will fare compared to Optic yay, the second one however can be argued for FNS as Optic made more finals than C9 and won masters.

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Tell me 3 IGLS in NA, fuck it, Worldwide who are better than FNS. Go.

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Steel, Shahzam, HellrangeR

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Steel is pretty
He'll is decent
Shazam no

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i meant the first 2 lines tho

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c9's players are literally in a position to do the same setups, if not better than optics

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fardeengg

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like setups and plan game understanding have nothing do with how player frags if you think c9 core is fundamentally better than optic core you are probably not right here
they make very less mistakes victor probably doesnt frag but yay said he believes victor is best entry he does his job pretty well to make space for team

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first vlr user who actually has a brain

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i think vanity isn't a shit IGL so yay maybe a bit declining but not significantly worse

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No. Yay is good because he always puts himself in favorable fights, and has godly aim. FNS has practically nothing to do with yay's decision making and skill, therefore, your statement lies false

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You mean to say that FNS' calling and setups had nothing to do with the duels yay takes and wins? Stupidest thing I've read today. Sure it has nothing to do with his skill but yay still relies on the calls and setups of his team to take those fights. Ever stopped to consider he's in favourable fights because it's designed that way, not because he happened to do it. Brainlessness

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fardeengg

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good take

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ever stopped to think that setting up an awper is a basic fundamental of team play? actual moron who thinks yay suddenly won't receive any awp set ups in the future...

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thank you

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Go back through what i wrote and point out to me the bit where i said he's not going to get set up on C9. You're arguing a completely different point. Of course he's going to get set up by his teammates. I'm talking about this idiot neglecting the importance of an IGL calling setups for him.

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elaborate on how FNS calling has anything to do with yay taking fights because thats not what an igl does. IGLs call rotates, executes and do other server work but they don't control a player's intuitiveness on whether to fight or not. And those setups are designed in the server so its not fns that creates them, but the whole team. I think you need to understand how a team works before talking. Brainlessness

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you know nothing about pro I guess not taking anything from yay but igls put players in position and setups chet said this on coaching stream multiple times they hide yay from enemy team cancel every util make space to help yay get kills

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this is the basics of pro play and every team does this. this isnt fns's job but the entire team's. its ok if you dont know how pro play works but at least have some shame in acting like you understand how teams function

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i think we are forgetting Yay was a good player without FNS he just fit into the Opitc System so well a 1 for 1 with mummay, Yay on c9 will be Great also idk y u guys are taking the tournament yesterday into account it was for fun nothing serious

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yay will rule valorant again
only nAts can stop him.

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This is exactly what happened to cNed as well but I think C9 can be a good support for Yay

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Good point but still, Vanity is a good igl and with the chemistry of Chaos boys ( Vanity-Leaf-Xeppaa-McE) and the addition of Zellsis, Yay surely still give good performance. Maybe a bit decline with the nerf on chamber if it happens soon

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exactly why pros hate vlr users with their tiny brains. yay will continue to perform well without fns

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Did i say hes gonna play like shit every game? OpTics entire team was built around him in the most profitable way possible. I dont think c9 will reach this kind of mastery.

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"I think hell be significantly worse on C9. FNS was like 99% Of the Reason why he was a demon."

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“I’m not discrediting yay in any way”
that’s literally what you’re doing though.

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Im literally just talking about how well FNS used yay up to his maximum potential, and that potential will probably never get reached again. I didnt say hes gonna go 0.5kd every map and going to get owned by every other player.

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Not only FNS though, it's the whole team and coach

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bro is forgetting that yay carried ABX ass on multiple agents

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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That was in T2 tournaments, look at yay now ripping on LANs as if the enemies were bronze players

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bear14

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T2 tournaments skull
he was fucking feasting on the old SEN and NV

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Dude i know are you not understanding the contrast i want to make...

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Dude i know are you not understanding the contrast i want to make...

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bro looked at the faze smeag cup (fun mickey mouse pro “ranked” tourney) and based this entire take on that LMFAOOOO braindead take

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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i didnt even watch that shit at all, i dont even know what team yay was on.

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aylez

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yeah bro, the tourney just happens to be at the exact same time as this braindead post! dont you forget yay was farming players while on support agents even when he was on ABX with no big igl.

ABX yay (breach) vs C9 w/ TenZ https://www.vlr.gg/3672/cloud9-vs-andbox-renegades-x-nsg-invitational-gs-group-b

ABX yay (sage & jett) vs SEN w TenZ https://www.vlr.gg/16985/andbox-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-2-ubqf/?game=all&tab=overview

ABX yay (sage & jett) vs SEN w TenZ https://www.vlr.gg/16995/sentinels-vs-andbox-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-2-lbr3/?game=all&tab=overview

ABX yay (sage & jett) vs V1 https://www.vlr.gg/17385/andbox-vs-version1-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-finals-lbr1

ABX yay (jett - not support agent but still farmed on ABX) vs TSM https://www.vlr.gg/28334/andbox-vs-tsm-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-2-qualifier-ro16

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Again i didnt watch that faze tourney.

This post doesnt discredit yay, it just shows how good of an IGL FNS was.

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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But good points tho

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Actual hot take: He won't get many kills as he did on Optic, but he won't die as much either.

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They setup him up to make plays and get kills so it makes sense he won’t be as impactful if he doesn’t get the same kind of support, still a really good player tho.

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You guys are literally mentally retarded. Yay will literally not change, he will still hold common entry points angles with his OP. Its not that hard to tell Yay to go to long and post up on an angle. Im not saying FNS didnt relieve pressure of Yay but to think it will dramatically change because FNS dont tell him what to do anymore is just painfully stupid.

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Alr lets see next event

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If this is bc of the smeag tourney it's a shit take. Yay earned his name El Diablo before he was on NV. People act like yay was a robot that FNS controlled. If you are completely ignorant on how the game is played then I guess that's a reasonable take

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Its not its just bad timing, although i waited about posting this (which i should not have). My Point still stands. Watch the Video "Optics Attack Strategy Explained" by Valorant Alchemy for a few mins.

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Okay, but that doesn't explain your conclusion of "I think hell be significantly worse on C9. FNS was like 99% Of the Reason why he was a demon" I think you are miss representing/over exaggerating your own point here. It feels very baity the way you worded it.

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yay will be worse or his overall impact as a player will be worse?

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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He will be exactly the same, if not even better individually. Although based on team strcture he will be worse I THINK

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vanity is a proven IGL idk what you're talking about

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Not as good as fns tho

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based on what exactly?

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Achievements, personal opinion

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if achievments make players then zombs is the 2nd best smoker NA

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Not too far from reality, he used to be widely considered to be one of the best. I am obviously talking about recency, FNS is recently the best IGL because he achieved so much recently. Zombs achieved much 2 years ago

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no

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you mistyped"shittiest take"

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Dude thats not possible while babysasuke rickyindian and sheahh are on this site

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NG1nS

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actually true, fuck this is confusing

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4/8
maybe Yay will struggle in Americas leauge but he will clear europoors on LAN for sure

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Ok

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yay's talent is amplified 100x more when FNS allows him to always take the peek and the kill
he allows his teammates, crashies or victor or both to give him all of their util for a few kills and they will gladly take the bait.
if c9 doesn't allow yay to do this, he will not frag anywhere near where he did on optic and envy

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i mean this certainly is a hot take

i think the setup of optic helped, but yay himself is still a demon of a player and the best in the world

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yay was a beast on andbox too. That's the reason envy brought him in. If fns's setups were so good, then why didn't envy before yay's arrival succeed? If you listened to optic's comms, yay was the one asking his team for util in certain places to get the advantage he needs in first duels.