so as we all know the LEC and the LEC bootleg(lcs) has had close to 0 international success the past 10 yrs(besides winning irrelvant msi). Why is the west so bad?
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Matrix13e [#2]LEC won MSI in 2019 and LEC was good in 2018 and 2019 and a bit in 2020 but yee..
*g2 was
mentality,and how popular the game is there korea alone has a bigger playerbase than euw, and they and china take the game wayy more seriously than eu or NA,go watch edg coach clip and fpx doctheir coaches are literally yelling at them and putting a lot pressure the mentality is a lot more like traditional sports compared to eu or NA
asdfgh [#5]mentality,and how popular the game is there korea alone has a bigger playerbase than euw, and they and china take the game wayy more seriously than eu or NA,go watch edg coach clip and fpx doctheir coaches are literally yelling at them and putting a lot pressure the mentality is a lot more like traditional sports compared to eu or NA
euw is larger lol
asdfgh [#5]mentality,and how popular the game is there korea alone has a bigger playerbase than euw, and they and china take the game wayy more seriously than eu or NA,go watch edg coach clip and fpx doctheir coaches are literally yelling at them and putting a lot pressure the mentality is a lot more like traditional sports compared to eu or NA
Germany alone has a larger playercount it seems after a quick google search
archetype [#9]Germany alone has a larger playercount it seems after a quick google search
idk how its now but i would expect they are still atleast about the same size if no bigger https://external-preview.redd.it/VGoAfaadVRqJNyRDeFg6sLC7MXoE5rEvkG5vilwD7Zc.jpg?auto=webp&s=040b4cc9f1fd61684be0e9225c25a071d02c54b7
reycac [#10]fnc reached finals though
cuz they had an easy side of the playoffs, we all know IG vs KT was the real finals
asdfgh [#11]idk how its now but i would expect they are still atleast about the same size if no bigger https://external-preview.redd.it/VGoAfaadVRqJNyRDeFg6sLC7MXoE5rEvkG5vilwD7Zc.jpg?auto=webp&s=040b4cc9f1fd61684be0e9225c25a071d02c54b7
https://riftfeed.gg/more/player-count
says here KR has 18 mil whereas EUW has almost double that.
asdfgh [#11]idk how its now but i would expect they are still atleast about the same size if no bigger https://external-preview.redd.it/VGoAfaadVRqJNyRDeFg6sLC7MXoE5rEvkG5vilwD7Zc.jpg?auto=webp&s=040b4cc9f1fd61684be0e9225c25a071d02c54b7
2018 kekw
jimjam789 [#3]*g2 was
Fnatic was good as well. They made it to finals 2018, playoffs in 2019 and even in 2020 they almost beat TES(?) in playoffs but got reverse swept. So it wasn't only G2. Fnatic were competitive as well even if they weren't like top 4.
Noodle [#12]NA and EU are still scarred from 2018 when FNC, C9, and G2 all made it to the top four but still lost to a Chinese team. It’ll take us some time to recover
Oh no don’t remind me of that again 😭
archetype [#14]https://riftfeed.gg/more/player-count
says here KR has 18 mil whereas EUW has almost double that.
i think those are accounts created because idk what those other numbers would be then,but still the popularity is insane a country with 55m people has 19m players
asdfgh [#11]idk how its now but i would expect they are still atleast about the same size if no bigger https://external-preview.redd.it/VGoAfaadVRqJNyRDeFg6sLC7MXoE5rEvkG5vilwD7Zc.jpg?auto=webp&s=040b4cc9f1fd61684be0e9225c25a071d02c54b7
Korea has less than 52 million in population, and most of them are on the older side since Korea has the worlds lowest fertility rate with long life expectancy's masking the low fertility rate problem. Western Europe has a population of almost 200 million. Not only do sources (like the one archetype linked below) show EUW has a much larger playerbase, common sense can be used to draw reasonable conclusions.
asdfgh [#21]yeah the game has not gotten anymore popular since then
2021 worlds broke viewership records left and right
asdfgh [#20]i think those are accounts created because idk what those other numbers would be then,but still the popularity is insane a country with 55m people has 19m players
yeah but either way means that euw has more players than kr
Vortexy [#22]Korea has less than 52 million in population, and most of them are on the older side since Korea has the worlds lowest fertility rate with long life expectancy's masking the low fertility rate problem. Western Europe has a population of almost 200 million. Not only do sources (like the one archetype linked below) show EUW has a much larger playerbase, common sense can be used to draw reasonable conclusions.
so what are those numbers i showed,but eitherway my point was mainly about popularity and how seriously passionate they are about the game,for example t1 fans literally protesting against the org because they cant win worlds parking trucks in front of their office that is just next level commitment that doesnt happen anywhere else lol
archetype [#25]yeah but either way means that euw has more players than kr
well thats a pretty nice gain from around 3m players to 34 in 5 years lol
asdfgh [#24]im talking about the playerbase
stop being ignorant and do ur own research it keeps getting bigger. league isnt csgo LOL
jimjam789 [#29]stop being ignorant and do ur own research it keeps getting bigger. league isnt csgo LOL
well league actually is like csgo since its active player base has been growing since its release lol
asdfgh [#26]so what are those numbers i showed,but eitherway my point was mainly about popularity and how seriously passionate they are about the game,for example t1 fans literally protesting against the org because they cant win worlds parking trucks in front of their office that is just next level commitment that doesnt happen anywhere else lol
I know you're talking about playerbase. I mean, did u see those videos in China after edg won upset win over damwon kia? Heck just watch na or eu finals. And btw a passionate fan base doesn't equate to a larger playerbase.
asdfgh [#24]im talking about the playerbase
Yes playerbase too lol. Poor guy trying to argue against the actual stats and numbers with a baseless argument
Vortexy [#34]Yes playerbase too lol. Poor guy trying to argue against the actual stats and numbers with a baseless argument
no dont get me wrong i was wrong i already explained it has nothing to do with my point
Vortexy [#33]I know you're talking about playerbase. I mean, did u see those videos in China after edg won upset win over damwon kia? Heck just watch na or eu finals. And btw a passionate fan base doesn't equate to a larger playerbase.
yeah but my point has nothing to do with playerbase at the i meant to use it as a point on how popular the game is it doesn't even change anything if the player base is smaller because its still massive for a single country with 1/4 of euw population not even counting all the nearby region players who play there
asdfgh [#36]yeah but my point has nothing to do with playerbase at the i meant to use it as a point on how popular the game is it doesn't even change anything if the player base is smaller because its still massive for a single country with 1/4 of euw population not even counting all the nearby region players who play there
huh? this response doesn't even make sense
asdfgh [#35]no dont get me wrong i was wrong i already explained it has nothing to do with my point
refer to previous comment above ^
Vortexy [#37]huh? this response doesn't even make sense
what doesn't sense, my point is league is still way more popular in Korea than euw overall if you compare how small Korea is compared to the whole of Europe, and its not only about player base its about the popularity and how interested people are in it in general, just look at Sweden and Denmark in cs, they have 15m people combined yet have more majors than almost all the other regions combined
asdfgh [#39]what doesn't sense, my point is league is still way more popular in Korea than euw overall if you compare how small Korea is compared to the whole of Europe, and its not only about player base its about the popularity and how interested people are in it in general, just look at Sweden and Denmark in cs, they have 15m people combined yet have more majors than almost all the other regions combined
They have more wins because they practice alot, are dedicated, etc. Plus, you were incorrectly arguing how Korea has a larger playerbase than western Europe by saying false stuff like "korea alone has a bigger playerbase than euw". Idk why you're suddenly changing your story and arguing about popularity now rather than raw playerbase numbers which you were basing your earlier argument off.
Gutssz [#18]FNC vs IG Grand Final
G2 vs FPX Grand FinalEU is actually good but sometimes
They get 3-0ed in finals
Ullyr [#40]Because Asians are crack at games with abilities, give valorant 2 more years and Asians will dominate.
Valo will be first global game prolly
Vortexy [#41]They have more wins because they practice alot, are dedicated, etc. Plus, you were incorrectly arguing how Korea has a larger playerbase than western Europe by saying false stuff like "korea alone has a bigger playerbase than euw". Idk why you're suddenly changing your story and arguing about popularity now rather than raw playerbase numbers which you were basing your earlier argument off.
yeah because a single country having almost the same playerbase as a whole continent means the game is waaayyyy more popular in korea and its a single country aswell not just players scattered from tens of countries, why are you coping this hard lmfao i already said my point is about popularity its way more important than just having a big playerbase across almost 50 countries
asdfgh [#44]yeah because a single country having almost the same playerbase as a whole continent means the game is waaayyyy more popular in korea and its a single country aswell not just players scattered from tens of countries, why are you coping this hard lmfao i already said my point is about popularity its way more important than just having a big playerbase across almost 50 countries
lmfao but you were whining about raw playerbase earlier? And now you're backtracking and saying you meant popularity? kekw what a joke, stick to a story and stop changing it lmaoo
Vortexy [#45]lmfao but you were whining about raw playerbase earlier? And now you're backtracking and saying you meant popularity? kekw what a joke, stick to a story and stop changing it lmaoo
yeah i was pretty much whining you got me there,i just back tracked because i was wrong im sorry its not my fault you cant comprehend what my point was
asdfgh [#47]yeah i was pretty much whining you got me there,i just back tracked because i was wrong im sorry its not my fault you cant comprehend what my point was
welp there we go, respect for calling yourself out (assuming you're not trolling or anything) about changing your arguments/line of logic around. gg and cya on ranked
Vortexy [#48]welp there we go, respect for calling yourself out (assuming you're not trolling or anything) about changing your arguments/line of logic around. gg and cya on ranked
he's being sarcastic bruh
its not my fault you cant comprehend what my point was
Vortexy [#48]welp there we go, respect for calling yourself out (assuming you're not trolling or anything) about changing your arguments/line of logic around. gg and cya on ranked
yes lets just leave this conversation here
archetype [#49]he's being sarcastic bruh
its not my fault you cant comprehend what my point was
yeah ik, was just hoping asdfgh was a better man and it was only a typo :/
Ullyr [#40]Because Asians are crack at games with abilities, give valorant 2 more years and Asians will dominate.
They are not cracked at fps games
Valgod [#55]They are not cracked at fps games
nah bro i don't know what happened but japan suddenly has huge playerbase in valorant don't know why.
give them some time in franchising they will improve and korea is going to dominate asia,
alongside prx scattered korean talent returning back to korea sayaplayer ,meteor when backed up by orgs like T1 will perform
and sea can also shock you everyone knows that now and india don't know new kids on the block might surprise us maybe?
upperrad9 [#56]nah bro i don't know what happened but japan suddenly has huge playerbase in valorant don't know why.
give them some time in franchising they will improve and korea is going to dominate asia,
alongside prx scattered korean talent returning back to korea sayaplayer ,meteor when backed up by orgs like T1 will perform
and sea can also shock you everyone knows that now and india don't know new kids on the block might surprise us maybe?
thanks to apex and the surge of livestreaming in japan i guess.
asdfgh [#58]WHY ARE YOU STILL TALKING MAN U LOST GET A LIFE LMAO
you get a life little boi (and pro tip don't spam in all caps it looks like you're mad/screaming and makes it look like you're losing the argument from a 3rd person perspective)
Vortexy [#59]you get a life little boi (and pro tip don't spam in all caps it looks like you're mad/screaming and makes it look like you're losing the argument from a 3rd person perspective)
nerdiest reply ive gotten in a while holy cringe
asdfgh [#60]nerdiest reply ive gotten in a while holy cringe
says the one who can't even form a logical argument KEKW
Vortexy [#61]says the one who can't even form a logical argument KEKW
wdym i had a point the whole time but ur the one thats still talking about playerbase lmao
asdfgh [#62]wdym i had a point the whole time but ur the one thats still talking about playerbase lmao
lmao you started talking about raw playerbase numbers first
In your very first comment you wrote, "korea alone has a bigger playerbase than euw"
Then in my reply saying how your claims were incorrect (with me even mentioning sources linked by archetype above disproving your baseless claims), you responded with:
"my point was mainly about popularity and how seriously passionate they are about the game"
Funny how you can so quickly change your entire argument so quickly while seeming completely oblivious to it oof
I think its time for riot to just make LCS a minor region and give more slots to actually good teams, I'm tired of seeing the NA orgs get free spots at worlds just to go 0-6 in groups and get knocked out by like the 4th place LCK and 3rd place LPL teams, make them earn their spot before giving byes.
Astar [#65]they are so bad to the point that almost all NA good teams importing players from korea
p.s: look at 100Talso btw fnatic won the first ever worlds so EU isn't that bad compared to NA
the first worlds shouldn't count as much bc there were no Korean or Chinese teams there
Vortexy [#63]lmao you started talking about raw playerbase numbers first
In your very first comment you wrote, "korea alone has a bigger playerbase than euw"
Then in my reply saying how your claims were incorrect (with me even mentioning sources linked by archetype above disproving your baseless claims), you responded with:
"my point was mainly about popularity and how seriously passionate they are about the game"
Funny how you can so quickly change your entire argument so quickly while seeming completely oblivious to it oof
you really don't want to get it,i feel kinda sad because ur writing a whole paragraph yet ur still wrong lmao i have already said my point multiple times idk why ur still talking about this
asdfgh [#67]you really don't want to get it,i feel kinda sad because ur writing a whole paragraph yet ur still wrong lmao i have already said my point multiple times idk why ur still talking about this
lmao I'm wrong even tho YOU'RE the one pushing baseless claims and switching your story up several times? lmfaoo comical
Vortexy [#68]lmao I'm wrong even tho YOU'RE the one pushing baseless claims and switching your story up several times? lmfaoo comical
what is more comical you still dont know what my point is
asdfgh [#69]what is more comical you still dont know what my point is
lmaooo how should I if you can't even stick to one point?
Vortexy [#70]lmaooo how should I if you can't even stick to one point?
its pretty easy since i wrote it multiple times but i guess ur brain just cant let go of this playerbase thing
asdfgh [#71]its pretty easy since i wrote it multiple times but i guess ur brain just cant let go of this playerbase thing
in your imaginations yeah lol. You're the one who brought up playerbase thing first and were trying to base your argument of false claims? lmfao your logic is bonkers
Vortexy [#73]in your imaginations yeah lol. You're the one who brought up playerbase thing first and were trying to base your argument of false claims? lmfao your logic is bonkers
fuck what am i even saying you probably still thought i was defending the player base thing when it being slightly wrong doesnt affect the point i made what so ever my fault sry
asdfgh [#74]fuck what am i even saying you probably still thought i was defending the player base thing when it being slightly wrong doesnt affect the point i made what so ever my fault sry
"slightly wrong" lmfao, so kind on yourself, more like "baseless lies" that delegitimizes whatever else you have to say
Vortexy [#76]"slightly wrong" lmfao, so kind on yourself, more like "baseless lies" that delegitimizes whatever else you have to say
yeah very slightly comparing the sizes that is why it doesnt affect my point
asdfgh [#77]yeah very slightly comparing the sizes that is why it doesnt affect my point
heck yeah it affects anything you write if you're obviously going to lie to push false narratives around
Mortadelo [#79]I mean I see a big difference between Eu and NA, EU is giving fight whilst NA is 0-7 rn lmao
NA teams that didnt get out of play-ins: 0
EU teams that didnt get out of play-ins: 1
kekw
babysasuke [#80]NA teams that didnt get out of play-ins: 0
EU teams that didnt get out of play-ins: 1kekw
0-7 y’all can’t even pull a BRA71L, so sad
Vortexy [#78]heck yeah it affects anything you write if you're obviously going to lie to push false narratives around
yeah man im purposely lying to "push false narratives aroun" im actually laughing rn you just dont want to get it do you
asdfgh [#82]yeah man im purposely lying to "push false narratives aroun" im actually laughing rn you just dont want to get it do you
i mean u are ¯_(ツ)_/¯ just stating facts here
babysasuke [#80]NA teams that didnt get out of play-ins: 0
EU teams that didnt get out of play-ins: 1kekw
ur 0-7 LMAO ur not going to make it out and ur going 0-18 NA dogshit at LOL
Vortexy [#83]i mean u are ¯_(ツ)_/¯ just stating facts here
yeah man you are really just stating facts here ¯(ツ)/¯
Matrix13e [#84]ur 0-7 LMAO ur not going to make it out and ur going 0-18 NA dogshit at LOL
I’m not playing and I don’t follow LoL
No care zzzzzzzz
babysasuke [#86]I’m not playing and I don’t follow LoL
No care zzzzzzzz
=) 0-18 soon and ur going 0-9 today just so bad u dont deserve to be a Major region.
Matrix13e [#87]=) 0-18 soon and ur going 0-9 today just so bad u dont deserve to be a Major region.
Everyone but KR and CN only show up as a formality anyway, it doesnt matter lol
babysasuke [#88]Everyone but KR and CN only show up as a formality anyway, it doesnt matter lol
0-18 soon and ur going 0-9 today just so bad u dont deserve to be a Major region at all i did not think NA was this bad but here we go.
asdfgh [#92]no problem it was hard to admit i was wrong
figured as much, but hey, it's hard to admit one can be wrong after making such a fool of themselves so gj on your first step to self improvement
Vortexy [#93]figured as much, but hey, it's hard to admit one can be wrong after making such a fool of themselves so gj on your first step to self improvement
That is very true my friend!
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