https://clips.twitch.tv/RockyExpensiveClipsdadMau5-shejIX-Jy71DTfsE thought it was a fairly interesting take from one of the best aimers of all time in cs
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Phamous [#3]He never played the game lol. His words. It’s like having an opinion on a movie from watching the trailer lol
Is he wrong tho? I think many people even pros have said that aiming in Valorant is easier than in CSGO? Neutral take, not my opinion because I'm worse in Valorant than CSGO.
patuj [#9]Is he wrong tho? I think many people even pros have said that aiming in Valorant is easier than in CSGO? Neutral take, not my opinion because I'm worse in Valorant than CSGO.
CSGO is Mechanically hard
Valorant is Strategically hard
Kuuga [#5]One of the best aimers in CS while he threw a round at a GF major
I mean, you're not wrong but does that take it away from him?
sheahhhh [#7]literally any game, I loook at CS and that shit looks light af, especially the OP, and u don't even need to master abilities
but its def not ez when u play it, dude is just salty af
lmfao valorant fanboys are coping hard,yeah hes def just really salty here man that makes sense!
blazennn [#11]CSGO is Mechanically hard
Valorant is Strategically hard
I mean CSGO is both mechanically and strategically hard. Even more than Valorant right now. My point is that looking at Valorant clutches or clips isn't as impressive than CSGO because many have said Valorant is easier when it comes to aiming. Especially from point of CSGO pro's view. NiKo's mechanics are way more impressive than Yay's etc.
spookmeister [#8]"I havent tried it but it looks easy"
meanwhile watching CS pros makes the game look easy
why are people genuinely defending valorant about the shooting,it is literally made easier for a reason
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capital_d_colon [#10]Reposted this after the other thread got taken down....
stop trying force this cs vs val arguement
Just literally logged in and posted this for fun and games, not reinforcing a x vs y thingy dunno what you're referring to nor why you sound salty about it but go off ig :)
999xuxu [#18]Been here longer than you've registered but haven't visited the site in a couple of months until Champions and saw I need to attach a social to login now, dunno how to recover my former acc and honestly I cba about it really, I make posts probably twice a year.
NiKo's comment on the highlight clips should be universally understood: the shots look harder and thus more satisfying in CSGO, Valorant is like playing softball...
patuj [#16]I mean CSGO is both mechanically and strategically hard. Even more than Valorant right now. My point is that looking at Valorant clutches or clips isn't as impressive than CSGO because many have said Valorant is easier when it comes to aiming. Especially from point of CSGO pro's view. NiKo's mechanics are way more impressive than Yay's etc.
played cs once, easiest shit ever
999xuxu [#21]Just literally logged in and posted this for fun and games, not reinforcing a x vs y thingy dunno what you're referring to nor why you sound salty about it but go off ig :)
this is your first ever post.
early today someone posted the exact same shit and mods removed it.
so ..
AceGX [#24]played cs once, easiest shit ever
if you played it once you likely played casual modes so your opinion doesnt matter
blazennn [#11]CSGO is Mechanically hard
Valorant is Strategically hard
csgo is incredibly hard strategically
i agree that val is hard strategically but cs has been compettively relevant for so long that the amt of anti stratting a cs team does for one major probably trumps the amt of anti stratting a val team does for an entire split
sheahhhh [#7]literally any game, I loook at CS and that shit looks light af, especially the OP, and u don't even need to master abilities
but its def not ez when u play it, dude is just salty af
master abilities? master what? point & click?
patuj [#9]Is he wrong tho? I think many people even pros have said that aiming in Valorant is easier than in CSGO? Neutral take, not my opinion because I'm worse in Valorant than CSGO.
People say DOTA is harder than LoL… Who cares.
Kuuga [#5]One of the best aimers in CS while he threw a round at a GF major
what is this braindead take
RiotAgainstRiot [#23]NiKo's comment on the highlight clips should be universally understood: the shots look harder and thus more satisfying in CSGO, Valorant is like playing softball...
are we forgetting what a highlight is?? it's players best moments out of like hundreds of thousands of moments
nairolf1337 [#30]master abilities? master what? point & click?
yes point and click kayo flashes straight in front of you or no wait lets just let the skye flash go free, or maybe we can viper molly out in the open no need for lineups
asdfgh [#13]in valorant its just way easier to click heads
yes for the opposite team too, so how does it makes it an easier game?
Yes, Niko is correct, when I see his Highlights I found it easy as well hit someone from behind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpF9P7Bq5BE
srxz_ [#39]Yes, Niko is correct, when I see his Highlights I found it easy as well hit someone from behind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpF9P7Bq5BE
lmao i was in the audience
NAVI fans around me were laughing for a minute straight
cobalt21312 [#19]saying valorant is easy like cs is any harder? you click heads in both games
What a stupid comparison. Of course CS is harder. Harder to aim, specifically. Less abilities means aim is also more important.
Olofboost [#41]What a stupid comparison. Of course CS is harder. Harder to aim, specifically. Less abilities means aim is also more important.
how is aiming harder in CS? aiming is just as important in valorant. neither game is harder than the other
koromast [#38]yes for the opposite team too, so how does it makes it an easier game?
what word do you not understand from "in valorant its just way easier to click heads"
Kuuga [#5]One of the best aimers in CS while he threw a round at a GF major
lmfao how does this braindead shit get 5 frags valorant fans are on a different type of copium doing everything to bring him down lmfao
sheahhhh [#36]yes point and click kayo flashes straight in front of you or no wait lets just let the skye flash go free, or maybe we can viper molly out in the open no need for lineups
yeah man lineups and flash mechanics so hard to master ngl
asdfgh [#43]what word do you not understand from "in valorant its just way easier to click heads"
i mean maybe it sounded like i was arguing, but i agree with the headshot part, i just feel its dumb in general to say its an easier game because of that (i know you didnt say that, my comment wasnt an attack towards you im just not that good expressing myself on english mb).
Olofboost [#41]What a stupid comparison. Of course CS is harder. Harder to aim, specifically. Less abilities means aim is also more important.
If aiming is harder in other game how does it make the game easier or harder? You play against other people with same game mechanics.
ayanzx [#27]csgo is incredibly hard strategically
i agree that val is hard strategically but cs has been compettively relevant for so long that the amt of anti stratting a cs team does for one major probably trumps the amt of anti stratting a val team does for an entire split
This is true, but the only reason for this is the years and years of time to forge way more developed strategies and tactics. Valorant on equal time will be far more complex. There's simply a lot more that goes into the game.
Onyx_FPS [#51]This is true, but the only reason for this is the years and years of time to forge way more developed strategies and tactics. Valorant on equal time will be far more complex. There's simply a lot more that goes into the game.
maybe so but wouldnt cs strategy also progress further in that time?
your logic is inherently flawed
ayanzx [#52]maybe so but wouldnt cs strategy also progress further in that time?
your logic is inherently flawed
cs strategy would progress yeah but their point is that valorants strategy will be far more complex than CSGOs given more time because of abilities
cobalt21312 [#42]how is aiming harder in CS? aiming is just as important in valorant. neither game is harder than the other
Targets in CS are smaller and they move faster. Try yourself. I mean even newbies know that CS aiming requires much more precise skills
HokkasTimo [#50]If aiming is harder in other game how does it make the game easier or harder? You play against other people with same game mechanics.
No, it just means Valorant has lower skill ceiling, that in Valorant s1mple / Chronicle will be equally good players, though in CS one is god and another is random t3 pugger
ayanzx [#27]csgo is incredibly hard strategically
i agree that val is hard strategically but cs has been compettively relevant for so long that the amt of anti stratting a cs team does for one major probably trumps the amt of anti stratting a val team does for an entire split
Its crazy how much some people are underrating the strategical depth of CSGO. People just see smoke grenades and flashes and instantly assume those are really simple and easy utility to pull off. Like do these guys ever watch professional CSGO? The variety of rounds and must do counter stratting in CSGO is massive. Even random spawn positions completely change plans and plays for the round and that doesn't even happen in Valorant. Like watching G2 play couple days ago where m0NESY was taking quick AWP angles from different positions at start of every round and how the enemy team was trying their best to counter it with utility. Stuff like that makes current Valorant strategical stuff look like casual in comparison.
CSGO might look simple, but holy is there so many small details that might completely change the outcome. Also teams are constantly coming out with new ideas and plays with limited utility they have, so then again opponents have to re-think their usage of utility and even movement etc. So the game and its strats are constantly evolving and changing even to this day. I didn't even understand this before watching Elige trying to teach Freakazoid some lineups, like that shit is crazy when he explains about metas etc.
sheahhhh [#7]literally any game, I loook at CS and that shit looks light af, especially the OP, and u don't even need to master abilities
but its def not ez when u play it, dude is just salty af
CSGO utility is so much more complex than what you think it is. Its true mastery from the top teams. Every single utility piece counts and is used to get max value. You don't just recon and get it back 30 seconds later. Its more complex than Valorant abilities at the moment. You just don't understand it.
patuj [#56]Its crazy how much some people are underrating the strategical depth of CSGO. People just see smoke grenades and flashes and instantly assume those are really simple and easy utility to pull off. Like do these guys ever watch professional CSGO? The variety of rounds and must do counter stratting in CSGO is massive. Even random spawn positions completely change plans and plays for the round and that doesn't even happen in Valorant. Like watching G2 play couple days ago where m0NESY was taking quick AWP angles from different positions at start of every round and how the enemy team was trying their best to counter it with utility. Stuff like that makes current Valorant strategical stuff look like casual in comparison.
CSGO might look simple, but holy is there so many small details that might completely change the outcome. Also teams are constantly coming out with new ideas and plays with limited utility they have, so then again opponents have to re-think their usage of utility and even movement etc. So the game and its strats are constantly evolving and changing even to this day. I didn't even understand this before watching Elige trying to teach Freakazoid some lineups, like that shit is crazy when he explains about metas etc.
exactly, the utility usage in cs is way more crucial to a round than in val. a missed dart or molly in val doesn't mean you've completely lost the round but a missed molly in cs basically guarantees the other team the round(ie, cat molly on dust 2) i agree with ur point on spawn positions and their massive effect on the round as well because of how important it is for certain players to throw certain utility.
Olofboost [#55]No, it just means Valorant has lower skill ceiling, that in Valorant s1mple / Chronicle will be equally good players, though in CS one is god and another is random t3 pugger
Chronicle would shit on trashple in valorant
sebastianuy [#20]Valorant is literally intended to be easier and rewarding to everyone just to attract new players to fps (like lol players) and milk them on skins and battle passes while they are hooked to the game
You could say csgo was made for gambling addicts
Valgod [#63]Chronicle would shit on trashple in valorant
Just proves that in Valorant all players are equal, despite them being very much different in CS
Low skill game
patuj [#26]if you played it once you likely played casual modes so your opinion doesnt matter
How many times have niko played val?
patuj [#16]I mean CSGO is both mechanically and strategically hard. Even more than Valorant right now. My point is that looking at Valorant clutches or clips isn't as impressive than CSGO because many have said Valorant is easier when it comes to aiming. Especially from point of CSGO pro's view. NiKo's mechanics are way more impressive than Yay's etc.
so ur saying that csgo is strategically harder although you have to master an agents abilities to be good at valorant
-mercury- [#67]so ur saying that csgo is strategically harder although you have to master an agents abilities to be good at valorant
Valorant abilities are nothing compared to CSGO utility. At least not at this point. And that is only one part.
Olofboost [#65]Just proves that in Valorant all players are equal, despite them being very much different in CS
Low skill game
How does that prove anything
Olofboost [#65]Just proves that in Valorant all players are equal, despite them being very much different in CS
Low skill game
in valorant the skill cieling for a team is higher but for a player is lower, because of abilities a team with good synergy, strats, protocols, and set plays will be miles and miles above a team with mediocre ability usage, and theirs more to perfects with abilities. But individually its a lot easier to become a god tier aimer.
ayanzx [#62]exactly, the utility usage in cs is way more crucial to a round than in val. a missed dart or molly in val doesn't mean you've completely lost the round but a missed molly in cs basically guarantees the other team the round(ie, cat molly on dust 2) i agree with ur point on spawn positions and their massive effect on the round as well because of how important it is for certain players to throw certain utility.
Also it seems like people here don't understand that some utility in CS needs to be pixel perfect and sometimes that includes movement, jumping, crouching and any combination of those as well, even the most common ones on high level like Mirage windows smoke from T spawn, or how some people throw utility on Dust 2 B site from little holes on the ceiling in tunnel, wall of smokes on Nuke outside, which requires 3 very accurate smokes if you don't want to be seen, smoke on the ledge on Dust 2 short. If we include maps that are not in the competitive map pool now then NiP smokes on Cbble, Train utility was pretty crazy in general considering how little space was there to work with for Ts, some stuff on Cache was flying like halfway across the map.
patuj [#68]Valorant abilities are nothing compared to CSGO utility. At least not at this point. And that is only one part.
ok go to hltv byee ❤😘
Olofboost [#54]Targets in CS are smaller and they move faster. Try yourself. I mean even newbies know that CS aiming requires much more precise skills
idk they look pretty similar to me. csgo actually just a worse game in general though
cobalt21312 [#74]idk they look pretty similar to me. csgo actually just a worse game in general though
You literally haven't even compared the differences
"They look pretty similar" something what a guy who played 10 hours of CS would say
There's a reason why t4 csgo rejects are now gods in valorant, on the same level as t1 csgo players
Olofboost [#75]You literally haven't even compared the differences
"They look pretty similar" something what a guy who played 10 hours of CS would sayThere's a reason why t4 csgo rejects are now gods in valorant, on the same level as t1 csgo players
i have 600 hours in csgo, i dont play it anymore because valorant is simply more fun and less lame to get better at
SilentNight [#72]Ch0ko is a washed CS player that chokes in important games inb
he should play for a korean team so, they always choke in important games
patuj [#68]Valorant abilities are nothing compared to CSGO utility. At least not at this point. And that is only one part.
yeah must be hard to do the same default on the same map for the 500th time... it can be tough to play against and counter but that still gameplay isnt strategically harder than val in any way.
ayanzx [#52]maybe so but wouldnt cs strategy also progress further in that time?
your logic is inherently flawed
lol progress to where, its the same util. there wont be a new fade prowler that will make strategy shift as heavily as val has every 6 months
symbols07 [#79]how does it look ez. like for ex suygetsu 4k to close that prx final, that was some peak mechanical gameplay, how is that any easier in cs... geniuine question
It wasn't. It really wasn't.
Personally, I know valorant is way esiter mechanically. And that's what turns me off of all the highlights, they seem dull, even 5ks.
But I feel like it's very different strategically, and the util combos are actually the most exciting highlights for me.
hekzy [#82]It wasn't. It really wasn't.
Personally, I know valorant is way esiter mechanically. And that's what turns me off of all the highlights, they seem dull, even 5ks.
But I feel like it's very different strategically, and the util combos are actually the most exciting highlights for me.
like i said, tell me the difference, if its the opponent team playing/positioning badly then i can somewhat understand. but that 4k will look exactly the same and would require equally good mechanics to do in both games
symbols07 [#83]like i said, tell me the difference, if its the opponent team playing/positioning badly then i can somewhat understand. but that 4k will look exactly the same and would require equally good mechanics to do in both games
Firstly, it's the opponents peeking one by one in a 1v4. Peeking out in the open. Secondly, valorant has huge hitboxes. Thirdly, valorant models move way slowerx than in CS, which makes them less mobile targets. Fourthly, watch that in 0.25x speed and you'll understand.
patuj [#26]if you played it once you likely played casual modes so your opinion doesnt matter
you have to be a fucking idiot right?
Bosher [#87]you have to be a fucking idiot right?
Nothing I said was wrong. Valorant only players can cope as much as they want.
sheahhhh [#36]yes point and click kayo flashes straight in front of you or no wait lets just let the skye flash go free, or maybe we can viper molly out in the open no need for lineups
You mean throwing flashes and molotvs using line-ups? Something that cs players has been doing since, i dont know, 10 years?
patuj [#88]Nothing I said was wrong. Valorant only players can cope as much as they want.
"Your opinion is wrong because you barely play CSGO!", "Is Niko wrong tho? Aiming is easier in Valorant than CSGO!"
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