FNS conclusion

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dexter000111

A diamond player's take on FNS :

I'm not one to shit on players over bad stats(I'm a Hiko fan after all). HOWEVER this is the highest level of play. I understand FNS is the brains behind Optic but there are other players at this level who are doing that AND still fragging (Saadhak for example). I also understand Optic have 4 insane fraggers already, but at this level where the competition is sooo close, you need all 5 guys fragging on top of all the tactical aspects. I think FNS is still the best IGL itw. Yay and Marved are nothing without FNS. But man really needs to work on his individual gameplay and impact.

TL;DR - Aimlabs is free

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bump

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Did you lose a bet to change flairs?

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dexter000111

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No I changed it for the finals
I do have however an old bet to uphold for which I'll be wearing a Sentinels flair (🤢🤮🤮) for 2 days starting tomorrow

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you named one guy who is doing what he is doing and fragging, that too cause Loud just won. Not to mention Optic and Loud are tied 3-3 in head to head. So no, there is no IGL right now who brings what fns brings to the table given the success Optic has had.

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I named 1 guy bcoz I wanted to emphasize the fact that FNS's lackings only come into play against the toughest opponents. For example if Optic played TSM, no one would care how many kills FNS has. My point is that you can have all the tactical prep in the world, but at the end of the day, if your opponent is just as good as you, then these tiny mistakes will make the difference. Having 1 more player getting kills can only do good

Several others examples of such players if you consider the teams at champions (stax, kingg, scream, dephh, benkai, stellar, boaster)

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so basically every other igl can frag when needed, if not are constantly fragging.

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Their toughest opponent has been 1 team who they are tied with at 3-3. So unless you show me how fns has single handedly lost every match against them - then I'd agree that he needs to do something to win against Loud alone. Rest of the teams dont even count since they never lost against them - which basically says that as an IGL he definitely brings more to the table which completely overshadows his own stats -- maybe even helps yay and others get those kills and maintain their stats.

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No one else wanna comment on the fact that Victor had a pretty average event? Everyone is quick to jump on FNS's dick about fragging out but Victor had some average games. Same as Marved, he only really came online towards the end of the DRX series and today. I get what you're trying to say but no one talks about the moments FNS's clutches, or frags, they literally ONLY look at his stats when they're below average. Give the guy a break, his IGLing alone is carrying that team along side yay.

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You can't put the blame on Marved for not going crazy like last time. There's only so much a mf can do as Astra and Omen.

As for Victor, everyone knows at this point that he is 100% Optic's win condition. All other parts of Optic are fairly consistent and constant but Victor is very hit-or-miss. His lackluster performance was surely a factor this event

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I'm not soley blaming Marved but lets not soley blame FNS either, Win as a team Lose as a team, it's that simple. People are constantly at FNS's throat yet they have no idea what it would be like to be an IGL in his shoes playing against the best teams in the world.

I agree that Victor is very hit-or-miss.

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No don't get me wrong I'm not putting tye blame on FNS. In fact I made it pretty clear that I think Optic wouldn't make it past top 4 in NA without FNS. I'm merely pointing out the fact that 1 more player getting kills for the team would only do good
Apart from the strats, winning your duels is also a big factor for winning. It's a shooter game after all

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Very true and I'd agree on that, I'm not saying FNS shouldn't work on his mechanics because I truly think he should, like any player should. What I guess I'm trying to say is every player plays a role in the team and FNS plays the IGL role insanely well so lets give credit where credit is due kinda thing and not constantly pick on him when he has below average stats. Look more into the stats of round wins, eco wins, first kills, those kind of things come from the IGL setting his team up accordingly.

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dont be that guy here. we arent the pros here, we are audience and we can say shit without trying to be humble. its very fkn obvious fns lacks the mechanics. i am not saying remove him, i am just saying he really needs to grind his mechanics. it would take nothing out of him and only make him and his team better. its not about blame but about the level. he genuinely would lose to a plat player in 1v1 rn

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I agree he should grind his mechanics but its not the be all and end all for him. OpTiC are still an insanely good team thats had some insane consistency since the win at Masters with how hes performing. FNS can frag if he needs to, we've all seen it, especially this event.

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yeah that obvious all top 3 finishes this year means that optic are really good. but its not a situation where we have to go with the saying of " dont fix what not broken". a dip in optic's performance in 6 months and all fingers would suddenly turn to fns even though we all know his impact. and as a pro who plays this for a living it literally takes nothing away from him, it will only help him and his team

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I’m agreeing that he should work on his mechanics, I’m not saying he shouldn’t, I just think people who are statfags are cringe as fuck. You only look at numbers like KDA and completely away from other things like the strategic side of things. Id rather an IGL that gets say 10-15 kills a game that helps me win a game over a stat IGL who only cares to frag and gets countered. That’s just my opinion though.

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obviously, without fns's igling optic will be a really inconsistent team. by results he is undoubtedly the best in game atm

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totally agree, but atleast both marved and victor have shown how good they are. fns is consistently bad, he cant even aim for the head most of the time. commits to spray, starts moving as soon as he gets the kill or even sees the enemy. the bad performances of marved and victor can be easily solved, but fns needs to really put in that aimlabs/ranked grind

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Consistency is key and I think we can both agree on that, the problem I have is how you're saying his consistently bad when in fact he actually has matches where he frags high and its not like they're once an event kinda thing. Look at the DRX v OpTiC LB Final and look at his stats on Bind and again on Breeze. FNS has his moments of brilliance in terms of fragging but where he shines the most is his ability to IGL and counter what teams are trying to do.

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those good matches of fns are hardly about his skill but more about his game sense. none of his clips involve good mechanics. all of them are either good positioning or good timing. he doesnt frag like a normal pro player. you replace him with saadhak for example and he'll get 25 instead of the 20 kills fns gets in his good map. good stats dont directly mean he was perfect.

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yeah, aimlabs plus ranked in the off season, i cant believe a pro player can shake this much.

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This was discussed in the Brazilian broadcast. Spacca (former CS player for Furia, now Valorant analyst) said that this type of player is very common in CS, but Valorant is already quite "noob-friendly" and that makes the work of an IGL much easier.

The questions raised were: does Optic only work with FNS? In such a dynamic game, does his negative frag compensate for the ingenious tactics he creates? Is there no fragger IGL in NA that matches Optic?

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All the people saying FNS igl is a win condition. Hold default. Fake and b plant was haven strat 2 days in a row. Worked against drx, loud Didn’t allow it. Strat book over kek. Other strat is, one of you clutch please kek.

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Optic doesn't have any DEF Setup at all in Haven, if someone can be blamed it's Chet and Optic's staff.

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Doesn’t help to be handicapped in the sim department as well

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100t should disband then 😹😹😹

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this has to be the most braindead take ever goddaaam

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an immortal conclusion: its not hard to say "yay go kill" him dropping 5 ACS per game isnt good enough