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Tiers of teams at masters (must read)

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#1
IntelligentInstigator

If u disagree by a lot, ur simply braindead

Tier 1 (teams that can compete for the win)
Optic
Fnatic
FPX
Loud

Tier 2 (teams that will do decent
DRX
Guild
Faze/XSET
PRX

Tier 3 (teams that will flop)
Zeta
KRU
NIP/VK
Team Secret/XERXIA

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zeta not flopping

#3
IntelligentInstigator
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Do u agree with everything else tho

#16
joaosgreva
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yes actual good list

#36
APAC_jimmy
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Yes they are lol. Fluke region and team

#44
RG
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Zeta not qualifying kekw

#71
joaosgreva
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LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

#63
Psion
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Zeta can’t flop if they don’t make it

#66
trola
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you can see the future

#69
joaosgreva
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yes

#68
pugboy
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Unfortunate…

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LightningLeaf
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PRX prob tier 1 and zeta tier 2 at least

#6
IntelligentInstigator
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PRX will get anti stratted very easily when compared to Tier 1 this isn’t a debate. However, yes it was my hot take that zeta will flop we will see in future

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SnooTangerines
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PRX only showed the "chaos" strats in masters 1 and you saw it against G2 on split when they were 9-3 down.

PRX is actually quite tactical as well when they want to.

Prob the only teams that can anti-strat them comfortably is Zeta/DRX since they scrimm so much with each other.

The only way to beat PRX comfortably if you are not ready for their "actual" strats is to outaim them. That is most probably not gonna happen cause you have forsaken and jingg who are basically the best aimers in the world right now, followed by Davai who himself can get really explosive. Benkai is also good enough for tier 1 play at international events. The only one lacking is mindfreak but still he has the brains to back him up.

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zardinez
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I think Yay and Derke might have something to say on that

#39
SnooTangerines
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You guys like to underestimate teams from the east compared to NA and EU pros.

Forsaken and Jingg are easily comparable if not better to Yay and Derke in terms of pure raw mechanical skill. In terms of discipline and game sense, Yay and Derke might be better.

People were underestimating Forsaken even in Berlin last year and saying TenZ is better anytime, we all know how they rank now.

Just so that you know Forsaken and Jingg still boast the highest ACS combo of any duo in the game and are individually up there as well.

Also - FNATIC and Optic have only 1 star duelists/aimers/fraggers being Yay and Derke. (Alfager might be close to a second fragger though). Having 2 star aimers at literally the top of the world is what makes the difference for PRX.

#42
zardinez
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I know they're extremely good, and I'm a PRX fan, but calling them "the best aimers in the world" is too far at the moment. If they get on LAN and shit on literally everyone, then I'll believe it. Until then, I'll call them two of the best in the world.

#43
SnooTangerines
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They will most probably not shit on any big-name teams because discipline and game sense goes way beyond just aim.

Valorant is not aimlabs.

#47
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Tbh everyone on Optic is kind of just cracked at their role which is why I rate them higher than PRX, not because forsaken and jingg are worse. Alas I'm happy to be proven wrong because I like them and Zeta

#50
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I don't get it. What I said is Forsaken and Jingg are on the top for "purely aim". Purely aim means just flicking to their opponents/crosshair placement.

"everyone on Optic is kind of just cracked" is not even a comparison. Being good at their role does not involve aim at all. It basically means that an omen player can do good smokes/outplays, a duelist creates space for the team.

Because FNS is a good IGL does that mean FNS is a better player than Forsaken? They cannot be compared directly.

Compared to top 5 teams in the world Forsaken's aim is like a 9.5/10 while discipline is 5/10 though forsaken's game sense is actually insane in clutch scenarios.

FNS has 5/10 aim and 9.5/10 brain. How do you compare these players? They are on a completely different level.

I personally do not think that PRX will win the tourney. But I expect them to fare well against some other teams and at least not go out without winning a single game basically how they did in Berlin last year (which is what a flop means).

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Because it's not always up to aim? You keep talking about aim and agents and comparing completely different players when that is not what makes a good team at high tier competition(even though optic have that besides FNS). Yay will get the first blood, victor will entry and pull rotates, marved will lurk and anchor, crashes will support and clutch, FNS will make the macro plays and sometimes go for hero plays. I just dont think Paper Rex has that same thing at the same level a team like Optic or Fnatic do. Also I literally complimented them at the end, I would have them tied with Loud and FPX for getting third lmao.

#61
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But I do mention that aim does not win you games? Role expertise matters. Optic has that. That is why they won masters 1. You are comparing the no.1 team last stage to the no.4. There will be 14 more teams in Copenhagen apart from PRX and optic.

Optic does not represent every team in the world. As long as PRX make the top 6 or 4 again, they have proven themselves.

I personally do not think that PRX will win the tourney. But I expect them to fare well against some other teams and at least not go out without winning a single game basically how they did in Berlin last year (which is what a flop means).

#51
Will__
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garbage take, FNATIC have Alfajer and Derke which is much better than forsaken and jingg, and yay is set up so well he doesnt need another star fragger(everyone else on OPTIC can step up tho). PRX carried by aim and will not make it into top 4

#52
SeizeSG
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Another reply to screenshot once prx wins xd

#5
no_noise_979
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actual good list

#7
ufc
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If u disagree by a lot, ur simply braindead

Tier 1 (teams that can compete for the win)
Fnatic
FPX
KRU

Tier 2 (teams that will do decent
DRX
Optic
Faze/XSET
Team Secret/XERXIA
Zeta
Guild

Tier 3 (teams that will flop)
NIP/VK
Loud
PRX

#9
IntelligentInstigator
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U have to be delusional/disabled mr genghis khan

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ufc
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sure

use the term disabled carefully please

#25
Kiko
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0/8

#26
ufc
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thnx!

#64
waelkhrais
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kkkkkkk, esse aqui n é mongólia, e sim mongo.

#8
trembolonaRage
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I would flip drx with loud

Rest makes sense actually

#11
IntelligentInstigator
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Not terrible take, but ur def a loud hater and mwzera cock sucker so

#58
ogking
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mwzera got eliminated xand and NiP

#12
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Tier 1 (teams that can compete for the win)
Fnatic
DRX
OPTIC
LOUD
PRX

Tier 2 (teams that will do decent
FPX
Guild
NIP/VK
Faze/XSET
ZETA

Tier 3 (teams that will flop)
TS/Xerxia
KRU

#13
IntelligentInstigator
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This is a good list and it is a safe assumption. I had very Similar list I just added my hot takes that Brazil 2nd and zeta would flop

#17
cohnr
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personally hoping to see DRX and Fnatic have great events, especially with the teamwork both teams have (plus alfajer and derke go kill)

#14
kristof
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people sleeping on KRU...

#15
IntelligentInstigator
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Bro KRU isn’t good they make every LAN and only did ok once because of a fluke. They’re in a legit awful region

#41
DoubleWideSurprise
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TSM lmao

#18
Afterburnz
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pretty good list

#19
babysasuke
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Faze in 1, fnatic to 3, PRX to 1

#19
Olofboost
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-

#23
zyzyck
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LOUD t1 surely? or do you not think they will perform as well as last time

#29
alitmanus
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they will perform times better.

they improved a lot

#31
zyzyck
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yes, i think they are still definitely grand finals contenders

#20
33AJ
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Prx tier 1

#21
swayway
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i would put FPX in tier 2 haven't seen them on lan/internationally yet + ange1 might not be able to participate

#22
DELUSIONAL_CAPS_FAN
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i promise you loud is winning this time come to brail

#24
qwertyiop
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zeta up one

prx down one

#54
Poh1238
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Don’t say about PRX and zeta, some guy called APAC will gonna kill you bro

#28
SamBR
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wtf mw com o ponto do mapa no 1v1, spyke plantada, vantagem total e joga igual eu nas rankeadas

oops sorry, wrong thread
btw I agree except by Zeta

#30
C310
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I don't get the Zeta or #2 seed of Apac pick, it doesn't make sense especially Zeta.

#32
misaquartz
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'//,

#33
thjing
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Xerxia are pretty good...

#34
ThePsych0
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I agree with everything besides DRX can actually fight for the title. Otherwise great list

#35
Cresp
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I think there should be a wild card tier for teams that can go far on runs so KRU/faze/drx/prx that are very reliant on their own mental or on their individual performances. DRX can go far as long as they have a good mental.

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C310
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I think this tier list will age very badly, Zeta just played Infront of a crowd with 13k people and are playing better than ever before and APAC also is a region not to be underestimated.

  • PRX will cause chaos which do work against teams like Guild/FPX/2nd seed NA especially guild who have shown signs of weakness against teams like Navi and BIG where chaos just confused the heck out of them.

I disagree by a lot because the Hopium for the EMEA and NA teams is too high overall despite having the two favorites to win the event.

  • FPX will play at least with one sub which will be detrimental to their performance. If they are really unlucky they will have 3 subs and then it's pretty much game over for them.

  • FNC and Optic are the clear favorites with Loud also being a tough competition for them.

  • DRX is never to be underestimated if they are on form they will do insane damage to any team in this tournament. Only cause of worry is their midrounding which is sometimes very lackluster considering how reliant they are on the set plays.

  • The only ones I can see not performing well is KRÜ and the 2nd seed of BR (maybe also 2nd seed APAC) with them just not showcasing previously the lvl of the other regions currently have.

I have watched every region so far in this stage other than Latam.

#46
HaSanity
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Actually a good analysis 👍 I will bookmark this.

The only thing I hope for is FPX getting to use their main players.

#40
versa_
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sen tenz > all these teams and its not even close

#45
avepalto
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it has been demonstrated that on the international stage everything can happen, like ZETA's run last time and KRU beating Sentinels and Fnatic
things childish as a tierlist only demonstrate how close minded people are and how they don't see the bigger picture, simplifying everything about these events

#48
erickwak
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t1- drx, loud, optic, fnc, fpx, prx
t1.5 xerxia, zeta
t2. xset, guild
t2.2 kru
t4 winner of br/latam second seed.

#49
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there is a high chance of GUILD and XSET performing bad as its their first time also XERXIA has improved as Surf got experience from last masters
PRX might get anti-strated by Optic,FNC,FPX

#53
since_beta
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Funny how you completely ignored the possibility of LEV being here, latam Brazil lcq exists

#55
Will__
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IMO, feel free to disagree

S Tier:
OPTIC
FNATIC

A Tier:
DRX, LOUD, FPX

B Tier:
PRX, XSET, GUILD, XERXIA, ZETA (if they make it)

C Tier:
KRU, NIP

feel free to disagree, PRX is high B tier but I dont feel they are as solid as DRX , LOUD or FPX (yes i know they beat DRX)

#56
Noyn
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Tier S - Optic, LOUD
Tier A - Fnatic, DRX, PRX
Tier B - NTH, Guild, XSET, Xerxia
Tier C - KRU, NIP, FPX (with subs)

#57
DELUSIONAL_POTTER_FAN
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Tier S - KRU, NIP, FPX
Tier A - Zeta, Guild, XSET, Xerxia
Tier B - Fnatic, DRX, PRX
Tier C - Optic, LOUD
^_^!

#59
BaDa
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im actually excited for FPX O.o

#62
no1haterbutloveyou2
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change ZETA, its now NTH

#65
clutchzero
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i don't really think PRX can actually make some mess again. Everyone is very aware about APAC gamestyle now, but let's just see.

#67
waelkhrais
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SS Tier : Fanatic / Optic
S Tier: Loud / Xset
A Tier: Guild / FPX
B Tier: XERXIA / PRX / DRX
C Tier: KRU / NIP / NORTHEPTION

#70
joaosgreva
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.

#72
enderbuderbling
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VK will win if you disagree youre braindead

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